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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Nonsense? There is a difference. Cam Newton is at the bottom of the league when it comes to completion percentage. And when I say bottom I mean the only other starting QBs with a worse completion percentage are Geno Smith and Josh McCown. So yes, that is very bad. Those are very noticeable accuracy issues. As I have said before, he has terrible pocket presence and throws off of his back foot more than any other QB I have seen. Hence why he has accuracy issues. It's not like he's even near Luck, Wilson or any of those guys. He's literally 30th out of 32 starting QBs. Isn't that a display of accuracy issues? Teddy is 14th and his accuracy is criticized. Teddy doesn't have the bad habits that Newton has.

You missed my point. There's no difference, not if the difficulty of the QB position is a reason why we shouldn't criticize quarterbacks for "not being perfect". If they're above criticism, they're above criticism, regardless of where they're ranked. It's that idea that they're above criticism that I consider nonsense.

Do you guys subscribe to the notion that a qbs' long term development is badly affected by poor protection early in his career? Do they develop bad habits playing behind poor offensive lines? That is mentioned a lot with guys like David Carr. If so, since we're still probably two drafts away from contention, shouldn't our focus be on the offensive line?

kurtkeoki wrote:Do you guys subscribe to the notion that a qbs' long term development is badly affected by poor protection early in his career? Do they develop bad habits playing behind poor offensive lines? That is mentioned a lot with guys like David Carr. If so, since we're still probably two drafts away from contention, shouldn't our focus be on the offensive line?

This question is off topic - it should be in another thread, like one discussing the next draft.

Purple Reign wrote: This question is off topic - it should be in another thread, like one discussing the next draft.

How dare he besmirch this topic!?

Kurt, I think it's a valid question, related to the topic at hand (Young Theodore Bridgewater) - I believe it can only help the long term development of Teddy to continue to improve the pieces (offensive line included) around him.

Mothman wrote: You missed my point. There's no difference, not if the difficulty of the QB position is a reason why we shouldn't criticize quarterbacks for "not being perfect". If they're above criticism, they're above criticism, regardless of where they're ranked. It's that idea that they're above criticism that I consider nonsense.

I never once said we should not criticize QBs. We all criticize QBs but like I said, Teddy is the most promising QB the Vikings have had in a long time. I just feel that some are overly critical. If the kid was legitimately playing bad like Newton or Cutler, then I don't blame you but that's not what's happening. And he's a rookie no less so obviously there will be mistakes that come along with that. Sorry but Teddy isn't playing bad. He's actually playing very well for a rookie. There is nothing wrong with being critical but critiquing whether a ball was 8 inches too high or too low on one play is being overly critical IMO. The things you point out that you "don't like in him" I didn't quite understand. Because the things you said don't seem to be happening very much at all anymore with him yet you still don't like that stuff. Granted, I asked you, but at the same time, if you point out stuff that I don't agree with, which you did, I am going to defend that. I'm not sitting here saying he's the next Peyton Manning, I'm just saying that you seem to be being overly critical with him. Norv talked about similar things in one of his pressers. How the media is being overly critical and I feel like you're falling under that category.

To say there are things you don't like then that's fine. But when they didn't really fit the bill, that's when I questioned it. What I said about Newton are serious issues. Same goes for Cutler. They are obvious issues that writers, analysts, announcers, etc. have all said multiple times. These are issues they have had for a long time now

Pondering Her Percy wrote:I never once said we should not criticize QBs. We all criticize QBs but like I said, Teddy is the most promising QB the Vikings have had in a long time. I just feel that some are overly critical. If the kid was legitimately playing bad like Newton or Cutler, then I don't blame you but that's not what's happening. And he's a rookie no less so obviously there will be mistakes that come along with that. Sorry but Teddy isn't playing bad. He's actually playing very well for a rookie. There is nothing wrong with being critical but critiquing whether a ball was 8 inches too high or too low on one play is being overly critical IMO. The things you point out that you "don't like in him" I didn't quite understand. Because the things you said don't seem to be happening very much at all anymore with him yet you still don't like that stuff. Granted, I asked you, but at the same time, if you point out stuff that I don't agree with, which you did, I am going to defend that. I'm not sitting here saying he's the next Peyton Manning, I'm just saying that you seem to be being overly critical with him. Norv talked about similar things in one of his pressers. How the media is being overly critical and I feel like you're falling under that category.

Perhaps because you keep trying to paint me into that category by exaggerating or distorting minor criticisms and turning them into more than they were ever intended. I understand that you disagreed with the answers I gave you regarding aspects of Teddy's game that I dislike but you're the one who keeps reintroducing them into the discussion, not me. I refuse to be portrayed as some sort of harsh critic of Bridgewater or to be made into the board's default Teddy-hating target simply because I said there are aspects of his game that need work and criticized him for throwing a few interceptions. If you need a target for your ire about people being overly critical of his game, please look elsewhere. I like Bridgewater. I approved of the move to draft him, I've been impressed with his progress and overall, I'm excited about his game. I am also done with the efforts I'm seeing here on the board to suggest otherwise. I'm optimistic about Teddy's future and I think that, overall, he's had a good rookie season thus far so if you need to take someone to task for harshly criticizing Teddy, I'm not your man.

Mothman wrote: Perhaps because you keep trying to paint me into that category by exaggerating or distorting minor criticisms and turning them into more than they were ever intended. I understand that you disagreed with the answers I gave you regarding aspects of Teddy's game that I dislike but you're the one who keeps reintroducing them into the discussion, not me. I refuse to be portrayed as some sort of harsh critic of Bridgewater or to be made into the board's default Teddy-hating target simply because I said there are aspects of his game that need work and criticized him for throwing a few interceptions. If you need a target for your ire about people being overly critical of his game, please look elsewhere. I like Bridgewater. I approved of the move to draft him, I've been impressed with his progress and overall, I'm excited about his game. I am also done with the efforts I'm seeing here on the board to suggest otherwise. I'm optimistic about Teddy's future and I think that, overall, he's had a good rookie season thus far so if you need to take someone to task for harshly criticizing Teddy, I'm not your man.

I mean part of being on a message board is defending your opinion and the points you make. That's what I was doing. I mean this thread is about Bridgewater so discussing what we like and dislike about his is going to be brought up regardless. I'm not trying to paint you into any category. It feels like every time I state my opinion regarding Teddy, you seem to always have something to say that shoots that down. I figured i was done discussing his one pass vs. Detroit that we spent 4 pages on so I continued to say move on and when I moved on and posted something else, you jumped on that too. As I have said before, I have nothing against you as a poster and I'm not trying to "paint" you in any category. I was simply state my opinion and trying to prove points. Thats all

frosted wrote:Kurt, I think it's a valid question, related to the topic at hand (Young Theodore Bridgewater) - I believe it can only help the long term development of Teddy to continue to improve the pieces (offensive line included) around him.

There are other threads already started where I think that question would be more appropriate. Yes, drafting better offensive lineman could help Teddy, but it could also help the running backs and wide receivers, not just Teddy, which this thread is specifically about.

Teddy will be our bridge over troubled waters, mark my words.

PurpleKoolaid wrote:Teddy will be our bridge over troubled waters, mark my words.

Troubled Bridgewaters is actually my fantasy team name in every league

some of the throws bridgewater makes under pressue and on 3rd down are very impressive

Teddy was impressive today. Couldn't ask for nothing better. It sucks to have some garbage players around him though. Oline and inconsistent play of the RB.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2306 ... uarterback

Interesting article on Teddy with some good analysis on today's game via pictures.

I liked TB's play today but I have to say that Tannehill outplayed him. He looked very impressive.