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fiestavike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:42 pm The last time this team looked this bad was against the Bill's, and it seemed to many of us like something was going on behind the scenes. We later came to find out the Everson Griffin, a team leader, had gone bananas and there seemed to be more important things than football at play.

I am only speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if this team is in the midst of a racial and or political divide. Spielman and Zimmer dont seem like guys well suited to play things politic enough to get everybody on the same page given the intensity of the passions at play, which may be a knock, or may be praise depending on ones point of view, but that's entirely secondary to the point I'm making. I think this team is playing like a house divided, like they have more important things on their mind, like they are not focused on the task at hand. Dont be shocked if we should hear something to this effect as the year goes on and as the season spirals out of control.

TSonn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:55 pm

fiestavike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:42 pm The last time this team looked this bad was against the Bill's, and it seemed to many of us like something was going on behind the scenes. We later came to find out the Everson Griffin, a team leader, had gone bananas and there seemed to be more important things than football at play.

I am only speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if this team is in the midst of a racial and or political divide. Spielman and Zimmer dont seem like guys well suited to play things politic enough to get everybody on the same page given the intensity of the passions at play, which may be a knock, or may be praise depending on ones point of view, but that's entirely secondary to the point I'm making. I think this team is playing like a house divided, like they have more important things on their mind, like they are not focused on the task at hand. Dont be shocked if we should hear something to this effect as the year goes on and as the season spirals out of control.

Doesn't even have to be political. I know they're all pro athletes and in good health but I would not want to be practicing, traveling, and playing during a pandemic. I especially wouldn't want to be playing during a pandemic if it was pretty clear early on in the season that the team wouldn't be very competitive.

Laserman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:54 am It's fairly simple. We had a snippet of a winning window the last few years and made some runs at it. It's just over, and we missed our window. Age is setting in now in key positions. This organization is not as smart as Bellichek and co and we've kept a few players too long. Say what you want but its rebuild time and we are a sub par team in for a long losing season. The Titans are up next week and we don't have a prayer at this game so expect 0-3. Playoffs? I'll be happy if we beat the lions once and win 1-3 games this year. Yeah, it's that bad. Cook, Theilan, and Kendricks is really all we have. Everybody else stinks

Tark wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:14 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:00 pm

I mean....

#Vikings fans, we’ve been here before w/Zim

2015:

- Pummeled by SF in Wk 1
- Sky is falling
- Make playoffs

2017:

- Lose Bradford & get destroyed by Pit in Wk 2
- Sky is falling
- Make playoffs

2019

- Diggs dilemma & 2-2 after Wk 4
- Sky is falling
- Make playoffs


....but regardless of what happened the first two weeks, us being 0-2 doesn’t mean we’re landing Lawrence or have any sort of shot at him. Again, we have to finish dead last in the nfl to do that.

Going by that matrix, we’re not in the play offs until the sky is falling in 2021, right? To think otherwise is delusional. It’s irrelevant.

TSonn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:10 pmI guess one point that I've overlooked until now... giving Zimmer and Spielman the extensions last offseason may make them more OK with tanking this season since they're safe with the team for now. Maybe that's what we're seeing this season? Still doesn't make sense with some of the contracts we've brought in.

Mothman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:31 am

TSonn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:10 pmI guess one point that I've overlooked until now... giving Zimmer and Spielman the extensions last offseason may make them more OK with tanking this season since they're safe with the team for now. Maybe that's what we're seeing this season? Still doesn't make sense with some of the contracts we've brought in.

I don't think we're seeing "tanking" in an intentional sense. I think we're seeing failures of leadership, coaching and personnel management catch up with the team.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:13 am
The years are what is irrelevant. It's just classic Vikings fan thinking. We've only seen it for how many years now? The whole, blow everything up, start tanking, everyone sucks, etc.

S197 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:49 pm Zimmer has never started 0-2. And this isn’t a hard fought, lost in the last minute 0-2. It’s a team that has been flat out embarrassed in back to back games.

I’m having a hard time figuring out how they turn it around. Hunter, assuming he can come back, could be a catalyst. But in the meantime what can the defense do? I think they need to blitz more often. Zimmer’s scheme seems to get softer every year. Remember the double A gap look? What happened to that? The cover zero blitzes. If you’re going to lose, at least hit the QB in the mouth a few times.

I do agree with PHP that this team isn’t Trevor Lawrence bad.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:42 pm The last time this team looked this bad was against the Bill's, and it seemed to many of us like something was going on behind the scenes. We later came to find out the Everson Griffin, a team leader, had gone bananas and there seemed to be more important things than football at play.

I am only speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if this team is in the midst of a racial and or political divide. Spielman and Zimmer dont seem like guys well suited to play things politic enough to get everybody on the same page given the intensity of the passions at play, which may be a knock, or may be praise depending on ones point of view, but that's entirely secondary to the point I'm making. I think this team is playing like a house divided, like they have more important things on their mind, like they are not focused on the task at hand. Dont be shocked if we should hear something to this effect as the year goes on and as the season spirals out of control.

Mothman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:43 am

S197 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:49 pm Zimmer has never started 0-2. And this isn’t a hard fought, lost in the last minute 0-2. It’s a team that has been flat out embarrassed in back to back games.

I’m having a hard time figuring out how they turn it around. Hunter, assuming he can come back, could be a catalyst. But in the meantime what can the defense do? I think they need to blitz more often. Zimmer’s scheme seems to get softer every year. Remember the double A gap look? What happened to that? The cover zero blitzes. If you’re going to lose, at least hit the QB in the mouth a few times.

He's never been able to solve the run problems in his defense either and they also seem to be getting worse. Last season, in losses, the Vikes gave up way too much yardage on the ground and 2 games into this season they've already allowed over 300 yards rushing. That's a huge problem.

I do agree with PHP that this team isn’t Trevor Lawrence bad.

I don't think we know. We do know they're bad. They haven't been very competitive in the first two games and a key injury or two could easily send them spiraling into "worst in the league" territory. They appear headed for a top 10 pick and if they keep playing like this, top 3 isn't out of the question.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:57 amTotally agree they have looked worst in the league bad for the first two games. I just can't see that continuing for a whole season based on what the team has done under Zimmer.

I could be wrong, but it would be unprecedented and until I see it for most of a season, I will go with what has happened over a much larger sample size.

4mnvikings82 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:40 pm

ERIK the PURPLE wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:11 pm This season has all the markings of a 4-12 season. I’m disgusted. I fully expected Rogers to torch our secondary, but losing to this Colts team - Unforgivable. I guess I’m glad they only allowed 2500 fans because, living just north of Indy, I would have wasted my money taking the family to the game.

I'm curious what four teams you think we'll beat?

ERIK the PURPLE wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:41 amOn second thought, those 5-11 teams under Tice were much better. Looks like 2-14.