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I think GM is harder to replace. It could potentially affect a lot more people than just a HC.Husker Vike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:31 pm I believe there are 8 coaching positions open , but not one GM position. This tells me that GM's must get a lot longer leash ,or owners do not feel that there are very many qualified candidates available.
I read that the Raiders are hiring Mike Mayock to be their GM.Husker Vike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:31 pm I believe there are 8 coaching positions open , but not one GM position. This tells me that GM's must get a lot longer leash ,or owners do not feel that there are very many qualified candidates available.
Really?Texas Vike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:45 pmI read that the Raiders are hiring Mike Mayock to be their GM.Husker Vike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:31 pm I believe there are 8 coaching positions open , but not one GM position. This tells me that GM's must get a lot longer leash ,or owners do not feel that there are very many qualified candidates available.
Yeah, it was on ESPN’s front page, so I didn’t bother linking it. Pretty crazy, eh? The guy’s a great talent evaluator, no doubt about it... but is that enough?PurpleMustReign wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:52 pmReally?Texas Vike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:45 pm
I read that the Raiders are hiring Mike Mayock to be their GM.
We'll find out!Texas Vike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:21 pmYeah, it was on ESPN’s front page, so I didn’t bother linking it. Pretty crazy, eh? The guy’s a great talent evaluator, no doubt about it... but is that enough?
Then please explain out of the 71 yard scoring drive 62 yards was on the ground for the Bears first score, like swiss cheese. You talk about burned out but the Bears ran it right down our throats first drive.vikeinmontana wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:24 pm In its simplest form I watch this team and give the D so much credit because they’re on the field 80% of the game because our offenses ineptitude. That is tough on any defense.
That said, I completely agree. At some point, tired, on the field a ton, injuries, anything.....you simply MUST find a way to make a play on 3rd down! It doesn’t have to be every time. But it sure as hell better be more than 1-2 times in a game.
My simple take is I might be more bummed about our D because they’re supposed to be great! Our offense was lousy but I kind of expected them to be average. I thought our defense would be dominant.
I realize this isn’t rational. It takes 3 phases to win. All three let us down this season. But I too was very frustrated with our defense and I don’t know how anyone could be super happy with any aspect of this team tonight!
So how do you explain 2009? Childress was so tightly wound, conservative, but the team wasn't . IMO, the true leader when it counts is the QB. Ultimately, he's the one that's going to make it happen. Look at Trubisky. He didn't play that well, but he made those cruicail 3rd down throws, something that Cousins cannot do (or at least hasn't shown in his career).Mothman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:10 amI agree. It is crucial and it seems lacking on the Vikes.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:52 amI mentioned it in the game day chat. That's just the read I get on Zimmer: he seems fed up with it all, tired, and profoundly frustrated. Then again, that's sort of his standard default mode. He kind of has that Clint Eastwood, constant simmer with a treat of boiling over thing going on. Very interesting to see that there may be some substance to my / our intuition.
I would be somewhat bummed out though, to be honest. I like Zimmer, but I do question whether he's got a global-enough of a vision as HC to lead us to the Lombardi. I wish we could retain him as D coordinator. I almost feel like he'd enjoy that more.
When I look around the league at the coaches that have 'IT' ... they share that trait that Zimmer doesn't have (joy). Pete Carroll, Doug Pederson (last year), Nagy this year, McVay. They all seem to enjoy what they're doing a heck of a lot more than Zimmer. That kind of energy is crucial.
There are a lot of good, talented players on the team but as a whole, they seem pretty tightly wound. Maybe that's a reflection of their coach but I wonder about player leadership too. How do they keep showing up for big games and playing flat? From the very beginning of yesterday's game, it looked to me like the Bears were the team that wanted it more, the team with energy. Under the circumstances, we should have seen the opposite (or at least an equivalent degree of energy from the Vikings). How much of a leadership gap might the loss of a noted team leader like Robison or a veteran like Newman have created on the team this year?
I think leadership from both positions (HC and QB) matters. The answer regarding 2009 is obviously Favre. I think Keenum helped keep them loose last year too. Cousins is wound so tight he looks like he could spring apart at any second.808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:17 pmSo how do you explain 2009? Childress was so tightly wound, conservative, but the team wasn't . IMO, the true leader when it counts is the QB.
Yes, Jim and I are on the same page... It was absolutely Favre.Mothman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:55 pmI think leadership from both positions (HC and QB) matters. The answer regarding 2009 is obviously Favre. I think Keenum helped keep them loose last year too. Cousins is wound so tight he looks like he could spring apart at any second.808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:17 pmSo how do you explain 2009? Childress was so tightly wound, conservative, but the team wasn't . IMO, the true leader when it counts is the QB.
Nevertheless, I think Texas Vike has a point.
Uhh, yes. Spielman is a bad talent evaluator, and we have been stuck in neutral since he join the Vikings (I curse the day).Texas Vike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:21 pmYeah, it was on ESPN’s front page, so I didn’t bother linking it. Pretty crazy, eh? The guy’s a great talent evaluator, no doubt about it... but is that enough?
LOL. Good one on Cousins. To be fair to Zimmer (compared to the other coaches TexasVIke mentioned), it easy to look happy after a win.Mothman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:55 pmI think leadership from both positions (HC and QB) matters. The answer regarding 2009 is obviously Favre. I think Keenum helped keep them loose last year too. Cousins is wound so tight he looks like he could spring apart at any second.808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:17 pmSo how do you explain 2009? Childress was so tightly wound, conservative, but the team wasn't . IMO, the true leader when it counts is the QB.
Nevertheless, I think Texas Vike has a point.
... and coaching looks exhausting and stressful.808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:00 pmLOL. Good one on Cousins. To be fair to Zimmer (compared to the other coaches TexasVIke mentioned), it easy to look happy after a win.
Why would I explain that? I'm agreeing with you. I was VERY disappointed in our defense this year. I must be missing something...Mogvet wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:08 pmThen please explain out of the 71 yard scoring drive 62 yards was on the ground for the Bears first score, like swiss cheese. You talk about burned out but the Bears ran it right down our throats first drive.vikeinmontana wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:24 pm In its simplest form I watch this team and give the D so much credit because they’re on the field 80% of the game because our offenses ineptitude. That is tough on any defense.
That said, I completely agree. At some point, tired, on the field a ton, injuries, anything.....you simply MUST find a way to make a play on 3rd down! It doesn’t have to be every time. But it sure as hell better be more than 1-2 times in a game.
My simple take is I might be more bummed about our D because they’re supposed to be great! Our offense was lousy but I kind of expected them to be average. I thought our defense would be dominant.
I realize this isn’t rational. It takes 3 phases to win. All three let us down this season. But I too was very frustrated with our defense and I don’t know how anyone could be super happy with any aspect of this team tonight!
I think what he was trying to say is that you gave the defense credit and said that they get burned out because of our lack of offense, BUT they got shredded on the very first drive. They weren't burned out at that point.vikeinmontana wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:30 amWhy would I explain that? I'm agreeing with you. I was VERY disappointed in our defense this year. I must be missing something...