Purple bruise wrote:
Of course when a backup is playing behind a ledgendary QB like Favre or Brady he is not going to see the field barring injury. We see every year that when a star QB goes down usually that meands the demise of the offense. Yes there are exceptions to the rule. But I have not seen any indication what so ever that Mallett could be "that guy". You are entitled to your own opinion of course. I did say that when a poster says that NO ONE thought that Rodgers would turn into a good QB is outlandish. He was taken in the 1st round and the coaches and players saw him everyday in practice. They felt good enough about him to let Favre "walk" didn't they? So somebody must have though fairly highly and confident in his abilities. So to make a stement like "NO ONE thought he would be good is a lot of crap (in my humble opinion).
Of course you haven't seen anything that puts Mallet in the camp that can't do it as well. Since he has not played but a few snaps during the regular season it is impossible to determine his ability.
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:54 pm
by Delaqure
And really that is the bottom line. No one really knows how Mallet with do. He's unknown and unproven. Picking him up would be like picking up a QB in the draft. Trading a 3rd round pick for him would be tantamount to picking a QB in the 3rd round. However, based on his college skills he would be better than any QB we would get out of the draft this year with that same 3rd round pick. So, I say go for it if the Pats are willing to trade like that.
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:22 pm
by PurpleKoolaid
I think a 3rd for Mallet would be the best possible thing Rick to do, unless we get a shot at Teddy at 8.
Mallet has watched the best QB for 3 years now (or at least one of the very best). I am betting he has been better coached there, all around, not only as a QB, but as a football player, then he would have gotten anywhere else.
If anyone doubts his skills, go back and see if you can find the ESPN drills for the QBs of that draft.
I don't think the Pats would do it though if they knew we wanted him. We would have to throw something else in. And that's where the worth would come in. Maybe throw in Ponder and a 6th.
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:43 pm
by frosted
PurpleKoolaid wrote:I think a 3rd for Mallet would be the best possible thing Rick to do, unless we get a shot at Teddy at 8.
Mallet has watched the best QB for 3 years now (or at least one of the very best). I am betting he has been better coached there, all around, not only as a QB, but as a football player, then he would have gotten anywhere else.
If anyone doubts his skills, go back and see if you can find the ESPN drills for the QBs of that draft.
I don't think the Pats would do it though if they knew we wanted him. We would have to throw something else in. And that's where the worth would come in. Maybe throw in Ponder and a 6th.
One thing that scares me - trading with Belichick usually amounts to him taking the other GM out behind the woodshed
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:55 pm
by Mothman
Wow, I've never seen more fascination over a backup QB who has shown so little as a pro.
Patriots fans have been waiting two seasons and one summer now. Other NFL teams have been ready to pounce, as well, but Ryan Mallett still hasn’t put it all together to show the potential that once made him a first-round prospect, if not for some off-the-field issues.
Mallett went 11-for-22 in the second half of the Patriots’ third preseason game against the Lions on Thursday night. He took a while to get started, looked decent for a few plays here and there, got bailed out by Kenbrell Thompkins on a couple throws, then finally scored on a dump off to James Develin. It was a usual Mallett performance: mostly average with some bad and good mixed in.
It may be time to retire the annual offseason storyline that the Patriots are talking about moving Mallett for a high draft pick. New England was praised in 2011 for spending a third-round selection on their future starting quarterback or a player they could no doubt move for a first-rounder at some point.
But that was assuming Mallett would be able to show at some point that he could be moved to another team and start. That hasn’t been the case. Mallett’s mobility and pocket presence has surely improved, but he still struggles with his shallow accuracy, and he hasn’t flashed his deep arm enough in practice or in preseason games.
This may sound ridicullous, but there were times Tim Tebow looked better than Mallett in practice. That’s not to say Tebow will take Mallett’s backup role, but it is concerning.
It's not hard to find reports about Mallett's lack of development and disappointing preseason performances. I know he was considered a good prospect coming out of college (aside from off field issues) but has he done anything at all as a pro that would justify trading more than a late round pick for him?
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:58 am
by PurpleHalo
With what the Vikings have done in the 3rd round, I would say it makes sense to trade s 3rd rounder to kick the tires on a QB, consider it a lottery ticket.
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:40 am
by Mothman
PurpleHalo wrote:With what the Vikings have done in the 3rd round, I would say it makes sense to trade s 3rd rounder to kick the tires on a QB, consider it a lottery ticket.
in recent years, they've rarely used 3rd round picks for anything other than trades, or is that your point?
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:03 pm
by Eli
Mothman wrote:It's not hard to find reports about Mallett's lack of development and disappointing preseason performances. I know he was considered a good prospect coming out of college (aside from off field issues) but has he done anything at all as a pro that would justify trading more than a late round pick for him?
He's barely even taken the field in a regular season game. He has 4 passing attempts in 3 years.
I'm not advocating trading for Mallett. I know the Pats would love to pick up a couple of well-placed draft picks for the 3rd round flier that they took a few years ago. It's what they do (and do very well).
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:42 pm
by gohogs14
First of all, i would love to see Mallett hook up with Wright and Childs again. I obviously wouldn't trade a first rounder for him, but a mid to late 2nd or 3rd i think would be okay. You aren't going to find a QB in this draft in those rounds with his skill level and potential. Manziel is the only QB that can top his collegiate success. But we'll have to see how the draft goes
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:02 pm
by dead_poet
gohogs14 wrote:Manziel is the only QB that can top his collegiate success.
Really? Hmm...
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Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:11 pm
by gohogs14
-tied 43 school or stadium records
-His career average of 29.6 yards per touchdown pass is the highest in SEC history.
-His passing touchdown and passing yards totals are first all-time at Arkansas, while his total offensive yardage and touchdown responsibility rank second all-time at UA.
-His 158.1 career passing efficiency ranking is the third-highest in SEC history. (probably lower now since this was from 2010)
-He holds UA career records for 400-yard passing games (4) and 300-yard passing games (14).
-He has thrown for at least one touchdown in 25 of 26 Arkansas starts, multiple touchdowns in 15 starts at Arkansas and three or more touchdowns in 13 starts as a Razorback.
-He finished 7th in the heisman trophy voting in 2010, just ahead of Andy Dalton and Colin Kaepernick
Not saying those guys weren't good, but he did this in just two years in the SEC while some of the others played all 4 years against lower competition (Carr, Bortles, Bridgewater)
Aaron Murray i could see a case made for, i actually forgot he was in there since he's not considered one of the top guys lol
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:44 pm
by Purple bruise
gohogs14 wrote:-tied 43 school or stadium records
-His career average of 29.6 yards per touchdown pass is the highest in SEC history.
-His passing touchdown and passing yards totals are first all-time at Arkansas, while his total offensive yardage and touchdown responsibility rank second all-time at UA.
-His 158.1 career passing efficiency ranking is the third-highest in SEC history. (probably lower now since this was from 2010)
-He holds UA career records for 400-yard passing games (4) and 300-yard passing games (14).
-He has thrown for at least one touchdown in 25 of 26 Arkansas starts, multiple touchdowns in 15 starts at Arkansas and three or more touchdowns in 13 starts as a Razorback.
-He finished 7th in the heisman trophy voting in 2010, just ahead of Andy Dalton and Colin Kaepernick
Not saying those guys weren't good, but he did this in just two years in the SEC while some of the others played all 4 years against lower competition (Carr, Bortles, Bridgewater)
Aaron Murray i could see a case made for, i actually forgot he was in there since he's not considered one of the top guys lol
So what is your take as to why he plummeted in the draft
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:01 pm
by Mothman
Purple bruise wrote:So what is your take as to why he plummeted in the draft
If I remember correctly, Mallett dropped primarily due to character issues.
There is certainly a segment of Vikings fandom fascinated with the guy. I guess that speaks to the hope and desperation being felt in regard to the QB situation.
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:05 pm
by mondry
Purple bruise wrote:
So what is your take as to why he plummeted in the draft
It's pretty simple, he's a statue back there so you have to give him extremely good protection. I'm not convinced he has Mannings brain to read a defense and beat the blitz either.
As for the draft, cocaines a hell of a drug!
Re: Ryan Mallett?
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:09 pm
by Purple bruise
Raptorman wrote:
Of course you haven't seen anything that puts Mallet in the camp that can't do it as well. Since he has not played but a few snaps during the regular season it is impossible to determine his ability.
As I posted there are exceptions to the rules, correct