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Demi · Post by **Demi** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:12 pm

At best you're hoping for Tarkenton. And then you run into NFL players and the guy is facing the elite of the elite week in and week out. He's going to be beaten to a pulp. Throw the ball up against NFL caliber players, how many of those hope and a prayer passes are going to be picked? He won't even last a season in the NFL playing like that. And it's not like he's exactly built physically either. Mentally? What a flake.

I'd want NOTHING to do with him, even as an undrafted minimum salary free agent.

The only way I'd even CONSIDER him the tiniest amount would be if they sign a new head coach (Sumlin?) who's willing to use him the way he needs to be used. Instead of running an offense and just sticking him in it. And even then I'd be worried...

PurpleKoolaid · Post by **PurpleKoolaid** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:27 pm

I think the big question is going to be, do we want Teddy if the Jags don't. I like him as much as anyone here does, but can he survive our line? He is so frail. Or do we reach again and get Mariota? Does he even come out? I think we trade the pick and see if we can somehow snag Zach or Carr.

im4mnvikes · Post by **im4mnvikes** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:40 pm

PurpleKoolaid wrote:I think the big question is going to be, do we want Teddy if the Jags don't. I like him as much as anyone here does, but can he survive our line? He is so frail. Or do we reach again and get Mariota? Does he even come out? I think we trade the pick and see if we can somehow snag Zach or Carr.

I say we trade down and get ALOT of defensive help. Not sure what QB to get but Jorden Lynch of N. ILL is looking real good. A big kid that is accurate and great in the pocket.

Laserman · Post by **Laserman** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:48 pm

Demi wrote:At best you're hoping for Tarkenton. And then you run into NFL players and the guy is facing the elite of the elite week in and week out. He's going to be beaten to a pulp. Throw the ball up against NFL caliber players, how many of those hope and a prayer passes are going to be picked? He won't even last a season in the NFL playing like that. And it's not like he's exactly built physically either. Mentally? What a flake.

I'd want NOTHING to do with him, even as an undrafted minimum salary free agent.

The only way I'd even CONSIDER him the tiniest amount would be if they sign a new head coach (Sumlin?) who's willing to use him the way he needs to be used. Instead of running an offense and just sticking him in it. And even then I'd be worried...

I have to agree with Demi. I Just don't see manziel working out in the NFL game. his luck will finally run out against Pro Players day in and day out

Demi · Post by **Demi** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:14 am

Mariota? MARIOTA?

"Deep QB draft"

Manziel, and Mariota are at the top if it.

Real deep until three years from now when they're in the CFL.

VikingLord · Post by **VikingLord** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:39 am

Laserman wrote: I have to agree with Demi. I Just don't see manziel working out in the NFL game. his luck will finally run out against Pro Players day in and day out

Luck?

You think Manziel did what he's managed to do over 2 years based on luck?

Demi · Post by **Demi** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:05 am

VikingLord wrote: Luck?

You think Manziel did what he's managed to do over 2 years based on luck?

No, I think he's done it based on being in the NCAA...and having some talent around him. Tackle at #1 overall? 2nd round HB? Swope went late but still a talent. And now this year he has a tackle who's being projected as a damn early pick. Let's not pretend he has no talent around him. And when he has NFL talent on the dline chasing him around? In the secondary?

You want to know how many heismann winning quarterbacks are in the NFL hall of fame? One, in 1965. It doesn't translate. All that crap you do in college. Gets you on the IR in the NFL. Gets you moved to WR in the NFL. Happened, again and again. Same story, new year...

Texas Vike · Post by **Texas Vike** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:47 am

VikingLord wrote: Luck?

You think Manziel did what he's managed to do over 2 years based on luck?

Same reaction I had. Anyone who says that hasn't watched too much SEC football.

Demi, regarding your Heisman to HOF issue: let's recast the matter. The last three QBs to win the Heisman are RG3, Cam Newton, and Sam Bradford. I don't pretend to know whether they'll ever make the HOF, but I'm pretty certain all three would be a MAJOR upgrade in talent to what we currently have.

Your argument is only valid because the same is true of non-Heisman winners: the % of QBs that make the HOF is MINISCULE.

2nd point for Demi: you point to the talent that he's surrounded with. Have you seen Alabama? LSU?

PurpleHalo · Post by **PurpleHalo** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:57 am

Jeffbleedspurple wrote: The defense wouldn't get so worn out if they pulled a few 3 and out's of their own, the more and the sooner the defense can put the ball back in to the offenses hands the better off they all would be.

How did that work out in 2011 when Jarred was the most dominant DE that year? Not very good because the team didn't have anyone running the offense. Whats the point putting it back in an offenses hand when you don't have an offense?

CbusVikesFan · Post by **CbusVikesFan** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:25 am

One thing I know about the Vikings and the players and the draft.....
The more BUCKEYES on the team the better the team is. Draft some Buckeyes this year. Anyone on the Oline, Carlos Hyde, Bradley Roby, Christian Bryant.
The Buckeyes O-line is the best in the country. Carlos Hyde is being compared to Eddie Lacy. He is much better than Lacy. Bradley Roby is better than Rhodes and Christian Bryant, even though he has an injury and is out for the season, is a good safety and is Winfield-like. Think about it, Korey Stringer, Cris Carter, Robert Smith, Jim Marshall, Winfield. Some of the best in Purple.

maembe · Post by **maembe** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:47 pm

S197 wrote:It will be interesting to see how their careers all pan out, I think guys like Wilson show that you can be a mobile QB and be successful in the NFL. I think Manziel and Mariota are very close in terms of speed, agility, etc. Mariota despite having a lower completion percentage, seems to make better decisions (hence his crazy TD/Int ratio). He also seems to be the more coachable of the two, he has a good head on his shoulders and is a humble guy.

Mariota doesn't make better decisions because he doesn't really have to make decisions at all in Oregon's offense. It's either throw it to the wide open receiver or take off and run. Manziel IS the entire team. They don't have a serious ground threat; everyone on the opposing is only trying to stop him.

maembe · Post by **maembe** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:57 pm

VikingLord wrote: Luck?

You think Manziel did what he's managed to do over 2 years based on luck?

No kidding. I just looked up the points scored against Alabama. In 9 games not against A&M, Alabama has given up a total of 60 points. That's less than 7 points per game. The maximum was 17. Johnny Football put up 42. I wonder who put up the most points against Alabama last year as well...

I think the Vikings could use some "luck" for a change.

purplehaze · Post by **purplehaze** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:02 pm

maembe wrote: No kidding. I just looked up the points scored against Alabama. In 9 games not against A&M, Alabama has given up a total of 60 points. That's less than 7 points per game. The maximum was 17. Johnny Football put up 42. I wonder who put up the most points against Alabama last year as well...

I think the Vikings could use some "luck" for a change.

Damn straight. Watch our future QB play LSU today at 2:30.

Texas Vike · Post by **Texas Vike** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:52 pm

I agree. Most folks who detest him have never watched him apart from highlights and base their opinion on sensationalist media junk. Watch how he plays in games and I think you'll admire a lot of what he brings to the table.

Post by **Mothman** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:48 pm

80 PurplePride 84 wrote: Jordan Lynch is just a college QB. Runner first, passer second. He's a more accurate version of Tebow. He'll play FB or TE in the NFL.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him as a potential NFL QB, although some teams would undoubtedly want him to switch positions (and if he does, RB probably makes more sense than TE). Lynch is a "passer second" but he's a good passer. He sees the field well and he's productive. I don't see him as an immediate starter in the NFL but I'd certainly consider him worth adding as a #3 QB or a practice squad QB. He's just the kind of player a team should put in that roster spot. He'll need development time but he's comfortable in the pocket and, as im4mnvikes said, he's an accurate passer. His intangibles are off the charts. The guy is a winner and a leader. He's smart, he has great instincts for the game and NIU hasn't lost a MAC game since he became their starter. A team that takes 2-3 years to work with Lynch might be rewarded...

... or maybe he'd just be another Joe Webb, an athlete without a position. I'm biased but I'd sure consider using a late round pick on him if I were running the Vikes.

By the way, here's a nice write-up about Lynch from Charles Davis at NFL.com:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... ure-in-nfl

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