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The 80% was a drastic exaggeration, I'll admit that, but I bet the number is higher than you think. There's a few articles out there of former players claiming half the NFL smokes pot.

Regardless, that isn't the point. The point should be that there have been a lot of players in the past and present who "suffer" from too much marijuana use while they still are great citizens or turn that aspect in their lives around to be a productive member all while performing on the field.

Get him under Jared Allen and AP's wings and I'm sure he'll be a success story.

Demi wrote:
I assume because he's got a cool nick name and weird hair?

i before e except after c....

the thing is though, along with the wierd hair and cool nickname he was/is(?) a very good football player. he was a game changer both in the secondary and especially in the return game. because of the mistakes he made a team is going to get him WAY cheaper than they would have had he not screwed up. so i personally have a couple trains of thought. i always like to see guys get second chances. he screwed up. but he also fessed up to his actions and accepted responsibility. not to mention he got professional help. i'd like to see him succeed at the next level.

my other line of thinking is simply that i think he can be had pretty cheap and can really help a team out. if that was the vikes i certain;y wouldn't be mad about it.

vikeinmontana wrote: i before e except after c....

That's not a wholly reliable rule. The correct spelling of i]weird[/i] is with the "e" before the "i".

the thing is though, along with the wierd hair and cool nickname he was/is(?) a very good football player. he was a game changer both in the secondary and especially in the return game. because of the mistakes he made a team is going to get him WAY cheaper than they would have had he not screwed up. so i personally have a couple trains of thought. i always like to see guys get second chances. he screwed up. but he also fessed up to his actions and accepted responsibility. not to mention he got professional help. i'd like to see him succeed at the next level.

my other line of thinking is simply that i think he can be had pretty cheap and can really help a team out. if that was the vikes i certain;y wouldn't be mad about it.

There will be a point in the draft where the potential reward of selecting him outweighs the risk because, as you said, he was a game-changer. the real question is when does that point in the draft arrive?

MelanieMFunk wrote:James, you know far too much on this topic. That's all I'm gonna say. lol

80% is high--no pun intended. With so much to lose, and a lot of these guys being so health conscious, I still highly, highly doubt it.

Believe it or not--there are people who don't need drugs to cope. We do exist. lol.

Lol well I smoked a lot of pot in high school. That's why Im so knowledgeable on the subject. It was just a phase for me back then, I never felt like I needed it, I only smoked when I was around friends because I thought it was "cool." But once I started playing football in high school I had to stop smoking because it was affecting my health on the field. I was getting tired too easily.

holy. biggest brain fart of my message board career...

couldn't feel weirder!

vikeinmontana wrote:holy. biggest brain fart of my message board career...

couldn't feel weirder!

LOL! Don't feel bad. Many of us have had worse...

Mothman wrote:
There will be a point in the draft where the potential reward of selecting him outweighs the risk because, as you said, he was a game-changer. the real question is when does that point in the draft arrive?

One of the 4th rounders probably. Case in point, Everson Griffen.

Boon wrote: Wont last that long

Oh well... the Vikes shouldn't spend a higher pick than that on him.

However, I won't be surprised if he actually does last until the 4th or longer.

Mothman wrote:
Oh well... the Vikes shouldn't spend a higher pick than that on him.

However, I won't be surprised if he actually does last until the 4th or longer.

Apropos of that, it's kind of fun to speculate on the three players that came for a workout (according to Pelissero): Hopkins, Keenan Allen and Honey Badger.

Did they bring HB in just to create the appearance of interest? or are they actually interested? I suspect that Allen and Hopkins truly ARE on their radar and that they wanted to see the two juxtaposed, to see which one stood out. There were reports from the senior bowl practices that Allen really did NOT stand out when viewed against other WRs in this class. To me, that is a legit concern. It has been a while now, but I remember several writers saying that there was nothing special about Allen AT ALL. That scares me a bit, because I think he'll be around at 23 or 25 and that we may be genuinely interested.

I could imagine us taking Honey Badger in the 3rd.

Texas Vike wrote: Apropos of that, it's kind of fun to speculate on the three players that came for a workout (according to Pelissero): Hopkins, Keenan Allen and Honey Badger.

Did they bring HB in just to create the appearance of interest? or are they actually interested? I suspect that Allen and Hopkins truly ARE on their radar and that they wanted to see the two juxtaposed, to see which one stood out. There were reports from the senior bowl practices that Allen really did NOT stand out when viewed against other WRs in this class. To me, that is a legit concern. It has been a while now, but I remember several writers saying that there was nothing special about Allen AT ALL. That scares me a bit, because I think he'll be around at 23 or 25 and that we may be genuinely interested.

I think it's all a question of perspective. Most of what I've seen and heard about Allen has been positive and I usually see him cited as one of the best WR prospects in this draft. Opinions vary, of course, and he doesn't have the blazing speed that tends to move players up in mock drafts at this time of year. He also hasn't had a combine workout or pro day so those things have probably hurt his cause but overall, most analysts seem to view him in a very positive light. Based on everything I've read about him, he actually sounds like one of the safer WR picks the Vikes could make in this draft. If you're concerned about the possibility of the Vikes drafting him, I suggest reading some more scouting reports on him. You may find them encouraging.

Personally, Allen and Hopkins are both receivers I think the Vikes should be expressing interest in so I'm glad they had them visit and work out.

Mothman wrote:I think it's all a question of perspective. Most of what I've seen and heard about Allen has been positive and I usually see him cited as one of the best WR prospects in this draft. Opinions vary, of course, and he doesn't have the blazing speed that tends to move players up in mock drafts at this time of year. He also hasn't had a combine workout or pro day so those things have probably hurt his cause but overall, most analysts seem to view him in a very positive light. Based on everything I've read about him, he actually sounds like one of the safer WR picks the Vikes could make in this draft. If you're concerned about the possibility of the Vikes drafting him, I suggest reading some more scouting reports on him. You may find them encouraging.

Personally, Allen and Hopkins are both receivers I think the Vikes should be expressing interest in so I'm glad they had them visit and work out.

I may be wrong, but isn't a torn PCL not as dire as an ACL?

What do you think the possibility is they select Allen AND Hopkins? Given all the holes, probably not likely. But it would be interesting.

dead_poet wrote:I may be wrong, but isn't a torn PCL not as dire as an ACL?

I think that's true, although it might depend on the severity of the tear(s).

What do you think the possibility is they select Allen AND Hopkins? Given all the holes, probably not likely. But it would be interesting.

I'd say the possibility is slim but it would certainly be interesting!

JEC334 wrote: Marijuana is not a bad drug. It's not like the kid is on meth or crack. It's a phase he can get out of once he realizes it can cost him his NFL job. Mathieu is still a good player. He has great ball instincts and a playmaker on defense. I wish Winfield was still here then he could mentor Mathieu because they are both small CBs. I say taking him in the 4th - 6th round sounds reasonable. Any higher would be a reach..

No, but it's a bad drug when you're drug tested regularly. And he wasn't smart enough to get out of that phase before it cost him his college job! And even then he kept it up until he got arrested! He's a good player, and a play maker, but he's also a head case. And everything I've heard he would fit better in a system that runs more man. And in our system probably the biggest need is discipline, which he hardly plays with. And his free lancing wouldn't be acceptable in the tampa 2! Everything considered I wouldn't want him as an undrafted free agent!

Too early to start off a pre draft thread, but it's fun for future reference. I've seen some good mocks, but ones done like this one seem to have some merit.



http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/43778736/

Demi wrote: No, but it's a bad drug when you're drug tested regularly. And he wasn't smart enough to get out of that phase before it cost him his college job! And even then he kept it up until he got arrested! He's a good player, and a play maker, but he's also a head case. And everything I've heard he would fit better in a system that runs more man. And in our system probably the biggest need is discipline, which he hardly plays with. And his free lancing wouldn't be acceptable in the tampa 2! Everything considered I wouldn't want him as an undrafted free agent!

I don't think it will be to long before the NFL stops testing for marijuana, its legal in two states and medically legal in 18 states. Why do you think Peyton went to Colorado? lol. And as far as the other comments on weed affecting ability is a joke. Michael Philips is the best Olympian ever and enjoys his pot. On the other hand I tend to agree with Mathieus fitting a systems that favours more man.