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PurpleKoolaid wrote: And back to the foe list.

Well obviously I hit that one on the head. No worries though

russel has same issues as teddy?? how about the fact that wilson fires the ball and teddy throws like a little girl? would you say those two are close comparisons? it was night and day out there today. a legit quarterback versus another ponder. weak arm and weak confidence.

How this team is 8-4 is beyond me. Another sickening performance. I am quite honestly jaded of the same issues that plague this team year in and year out.

mosscarter wrote:russel has same issues as teddy?? how about the fact that wilson fires the ball and teddy throws like a little girl? would you say those two are close comparisons? it was night and day out there today. a legit quarterback versus another ponder. weak arm and weak confidence.

Did you read my whole post or just pick out a certain part of it and run with it? Next time take the whole post into account.

I'll clarify it. Before the break, Wilson had very similar issues, a very poor offensive line and he is running for his life but he's a lot more athletic than Teddy and can extend plays longer. I saw quite often that he'd drop back to pass and next thng you know he just doesn't fire a pass or is running around. No where did I mention anything about arm strength did I? At Seattle's bye week the coaches went to a shorter passing attack and that's why we see Wilson passing a lot better. The ball is out quickly, there hasn't been a whole lot of slow developing deeper pass routes, it's been quick slants and intermediate routes. Hopefully I clarifies that better.

halfgiz wrote:125 yards total offense...heads should roll.

Crappy game all around

What I find glaring is that for two consecutive games an NFC opponent has come into Minny needing a win to stay relevant and blown the Vikes outta the water.
The Viking 'offense' scored 2tds total in those games.

The talking heads say that Seattle is a run first team like it's some kind of throwback offense, when in fact they run and pass extremely well together. It's a very potent and effective offense that uses rollouts and short passes to set up plays downfield. Their o-line is not that good either.
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I had to laugh when the Vikes were down 30 points and they started rolling TB out.
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The Vikes are a run first team by default and stubborn idiocy...not by choice.
I really hope Zimmer puts a stop to this nonsense.

The Breeze wrote:What I find glaring is that for two consecutive games an NFC opponent has come into Minny needing a win to stay relevant and blown the Vikes outta the water.
The Viking 'offense' scored 2tds total in those games.

The talking heads say that Seattle is a run first team like it's some kind of throwback offense, when in fact they run and pass extremely well together. It's a very potent and effective offense that uses rollouts and short passes to set up plays downfield. Their o-line is not that good either.
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I had to laugh when the Vikes were down 30 points and they started rolling TB out.
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The Vikes are a run first team by default and stubborn idiocy...not by choice.
I really hope Zimmer puts a stop to this nonsense.

Anytime I've seen rollouts in Minnesota a defender is in the face of Bridgewater. I'm not understanding that at all. Can this team block for anything besides a run for a legendary running back who gets major yards after contact? It's frustrating. I see guys get beat by speed rushes, bum rushes, spin moves and whatever else.

Gemfow wrote:Can this team block for anything besides a run for a legendary running back who gets major yards after contact? It's frustrating. I see guys get beat by speed rushes, bum rushes, spin moves and whatever else.

Can they even block for Peterson? It seems that he gets hit in the backfield on EVERY play. I don't think they can do any kind of blocking.

The Breeze wrote:The Vikes are a run first team by default and stubborn idiocy...not by choice.
I really hope Zimmer puts a stop to this nonsense.

I agree. And changes need to be made.

The Breeze wrote:The Vikes are a run first team by default and stubborn idiocy...not by choice.

Oh, i think it's a choice... a choice made out of necessity.

I really hope Zimmer puts a stop to this nonsense.

I suspect he advocates the strategy.

gemfow i'll be honest i see no similarities between the two whatsoever. none. one has a weak arm and one has a strong arm. one plays with confidence and the other is scared. and wilson's stats dwarf teddy's. it was like night and day out there. put wilson on this offense and we are contenders. teddy is getting worse each week and next week will be no different. he's thrown 1 deep touchdown ALL YEAR and diggs had to make the catch of his life. how can't people see that teddy cannot get the ball downfield whatsoever. i see how you clarified your point, but what i'm arguing is that there isn't any basis for comparison. bridgewaters mechanics are even starting to break down. he looks lost out there.

losperros wrote: I agree. And changes need to be made.

We're just too predictable at this point. Run, run, pass on almost every series. Look at our losses outside of Denver really. Every other team shut down AD and we have no answer. We have to stop throwing from under center too. This line isn't good enough to wait for teddy to get to a 7 step drop. Just put him in shotgun.

Also, we need to find a way to get CP involved in this offense. He's too big of a playmaker not to. I don't care if he can't run a route. There is plenty else you can do with him. Tavon Austin is a player maker, as well as Darren Sproles, De'Anthony Thomas, etc. These teams find ways to get them involved and honestly, I would take Pattersons ability over any one of them. You need to have another threat on the field outside of Peterson.

Norv needs to start dumbing down his playbook and getting more quicks and drags in there and having Teddy getting quick hitters in there. It's the only way he's ever going to gain any kind of confidence back.

Gemfow wrote: Anytime I've seen rollouts in Minnesota a defender is in the face of Bridgewater. I'm not understanding that at all. Can this team block for anything besides a run for a legendary running back who gets major yards after contact? It's frustrating. I see guys get beat by speed rushes, bum rushes, spin moves and whatever else.

I honestly haven't seen them roll out much at all this season until late today, but whenAD is in the game, and due to the fact that TB does nothing to establish himself downfield, opposing D's sell out to stop AD. When the ball doesn't go to him they just keep coming at TB.
Today the rollout in the 4th resulted in a nice gain and first down...of course AD was done for the day by then. The shotgun draw plays to McKinnon also worked late because the D was not keying on AD.
Teddy and Norv have got to find a way to get the ball out quicker...period.
If they can't, Zimmer needs to put his foot down IMO.

Gemfow wrote:If anyone has seen Seattle games prior to their bye week you'd realize that Russell had the same issues as Teddy. He's just more of an athlete than Teddy and could extend plays longer. Russell would drop back and have to run for his life. The coaches shortened up the passing routes and Russell Wilson has looked like a totally different QB since the bye week. Minnesota should follow the Seahawk's lead. Teddy has some things to work on but he's also a second year QB who is still prone to some bad habits. He has great poise and is pretty accurate but I fear he suffers the Alex Smith syndrome of playing it safe. It's time to start letting that ball fly.

Very true, and even more strange is they also had a guy they had to try and force feed into the offense (jimmy Graham) that wasn't working at all. He get's hurt, they change things up and now Wilson looks like a probowler. Lucky for them though Wilson is further along in his development and given his natural athleticism helps him deal with a poor O-line better.

akvikingsfan wrote: Can they even block for Peterson? It seems that he gets hit in the backfield on EVERY play. I don't think they can do any kind of blocking.

Not really, a good chunk of what AD get's is him making something out of nothing, when he can't do that the whole running game falters. If they could at least block well we'd always be able to get something out of the run game but since they can't, any game Peterson isn't super human phenomenal it's next to worthless.

The Breeze wrote: I honestly haven't seen them roll out much at all this season until late today, but whenAD is in the game, and due to the fact that TB does nothing to establish himself downfield, opposing D's sell out to stop AD. When the ball doesn't go to him they just keep coming at TB.
Today the rollout in the 4th resulted in a nice gain and first down...of course AD was done for the day by then. The shotgun draw plays to McKinnon also worked late because the D was not keying on AD.
Teddy and Norv have got to find a way to get the ball out quicker...period.
If they can't, Zimmer needs to put his foot down IMO.

Norv's gotta go, those long #### slow developing vertical routes won't work with Teddy or this o-line.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:Rudy was second on the team in catches behind AP this game. Our WRs are the ones that are invisible. Partly due to the fact that teddy won't throw down field

Everybody was invisible, including Rudolph... 3 catches for 13 yards is not impressing anyone. McKinnon and Peterson combined caught 7 passes for a whopping total of 12 yds. Here's the full breakdown by position... all ugly:

WR's: 6 catches for 89 yds. (Wallace: 2 for 43 yds, Wright: 2 for 24 yds, Diggs: 2 for 22 yds)
TE's: 4 catches for 17 yds. (Rudolph: 3 for 13 yds, Pruitt: 1 for 4 yds.)
RB's: 7 catches for 12 yds. (Peterson: 4 for 6 yds., McKinnon: 3 for 6 yds.)

Teddy: 17/28 for 118 yds, 1 INT

A complete and total joke.