Redskins @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 9

[mondry]

In other news, I think one film-analysis point I'd like to see investigated is what made the difference half-to-half for the offensive line. It appeared to me that the OL played vastly better in the second half (or perhaps after Munnerlyn's interception?) than previously. What happened?

The announcers made it sound like washington didn't blitz as much, not sure if that's true or not or if we just dealt with it better.

[J. Kapp 11]

In other news, I think one film-analysis point I'd like to see investigated is what made the difference half-to-half for the offensive line. It appeared to me that the OL played vastly better in the second half (or perhaps after Munnerlyn's interception?) than previously. What happened?

I think Teddy's pocket presence is improving. He steps up in the pocket and keeps his eyes downfield, which is something we haven't had in awhile. Few offensive lines are going to simply manhandle the other team. Your quarterback has to feel the soft spots in the pocket, and Teddy is getting better at that all the time.

[TSonn]

Any comment from Patterson or TB on that missed deep ball yet? I'd like to hear if the sun was an issue for Patterson.

[J. Kapp 11]

Any comment from Patterson or TB on that missed deep ball yet? I'd like to hear if the sun was an issue for Patterson.

Don't know how it could be.

Patterson was looking away from the sun.

[Mothman]

This is a great point. If Teddy hits a wide open, easy pass for a TD, CP's numbers don't look so bad and it probably gives both TB and CP more confidence in each other the rest of the game. Teddy missed the throw though and the end result is what it is.

I really want to get a closer look at that play and to hear why CP reacted as he did because to me, it looked like he had a chance to catch that ball if he'd stuck with the play. Teddy needs to get more air under a pass like that to make it easier on his receiver but I'm thinking there might be something to the idea that Patterson lost the ball in the sun.

This is a crummy look at it but look when CP reacts and where the ball lands:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/2/7 ... -patterson

[Mothman]

Don't know how it could be.

Patterson was looking away from the sun.

He was running away from the sun but he was actually turning and looking toward the sun. You can tell by the position of his shadow.

[Texas Vike]

I always knew Turner was a genius!

(Actually, I think that was Scott Turner talking to Zimmer at that point. Norv was presumably still in the booth. I think you might be right about what he was saying, though.)
I'm certainly not trying to do that. I've got no beef with the coaching today overall.

Taking a timeout in that situation is indeed a very minor mistake. Arguing that that timeout was the right decision is, IMO, much more eyeroll-worthy.

You're right; it was Scott. Looked like Norv had bathed in the Fountain of Youth.

Zim just waved him off, like he'd already made his decision. Having 3 TOs instead of 2 is a non-factor. The one second IS an advantage. The 5 yards MAY have been an advantage--we can't know. I ultimately agree with you, the slightly better option there is to take the penalty.

[The Breeze]

I really want to get a closer look at that play and to hear why CP reacted as he did because to me, it looked like he had a chance to catch that ball if he'd stuck with the play. Teddy needs to get more air under a pass like that to make it easier on his receiver but I'm thinking there might be something to the idea that Patterson lost the ball in the sun.

This is a crummy look at it but look when CP reacts and where the ball lands:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/2/7 ... -patterson

Hard to tell. Doesn't look like he was slapping his head either way. It looked like a frustrated thrusting of hands or he threw his hands up as he just glimpsed the ball at the last second. It looked by the way he was running that he was tracking it and was full throttle...the ball still hit 3 yards past his lead foot. Not sure what to make of that. The shadow of the ball looked like it went right near his head...so, maybe the sun played a factor.

Yeah, as I keep looking at it the shadow of the ball crosses right across his face mask the same instant he throws his hands up...so, i think the sun blinded him at the last second, but not sure he would've made that catch cause it still looked a tad overthrown to me. YMMV

[TSonn]

I really want to get a closer look at that play and to hear why CP reacted as he did because to me, it looked like he had a chance to catch that ball if he'd stuck with the play. Teddy needs to get more air under a pass like that to make it easier on his receiver but I'm thinking there might be something to the idea that Patterson lost the ball in the sun.

This is a crummy look at it but look when CP reacts and where the ball lands:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/2/7 ... -patterson

Such a weird play. It's clear that Teddy needs to throw a better ball and that Patterson can run a better route (or at least give more effort) but it's not clear whether or not the ball was catchable. Still looks to me like Patterson had a chance at it.

[Mothman]

Any comment from Patterson or TB on that missed deep ball yet? I'd like to hear if the sun was an issue for Patterson.

No word from Patterson yet (that I can find). Zimmer said during his post-game press conference that he thought "the receiver" just lost the ball in the sun. Otherwise, he thinks it could have been a catch.

The comment occurs between the 7:30 and 8 minute mark:

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/vide ... a46d876475

[Mothman]

Yeah, as I keep looking at it the shadow of the ball crosses right across his face mask the same instant he throws his hands up...so, i think the sun blinded him at the last second, but not sure he would've made that catch cause it still looked a tad overthrown to me. YMMV

After watching it some more, I think you're right. It's hard to tell if he could have adjusted and made the catch without the sun in his eyes but there's little doubt the throw could have been better. That's one of those situations where a QB shouldn't try to make the perfect throw. He just needs to get some air under the ball, make sure it gets there and can be caught. When a guy is that wide open, you just don't want to miss him!

It's a shame but it's good that they're getting opportunites down the field. They'll start hitting them sooner or later (hopefully sooner).

[The Breeze]

After watching it some more, I think you're right. It's hard to tell if he could have adjusted and made the catch without the sun in his eyes but there's little doubt the throw could have been better. That's one of those situations where a QB shouldn't try to make the perfect throw. He just needs to get some air under the ball, make sure it gets there and can be caught. When a guy is that wide open, you just don't want to miss him!

It's a shame but it's good that they're getting opportunites down the field. They'll start hitting them sooner or later (hopefully sooner).

There was a comment to this point under the vid you posted. It would be nice to see a different angle that shows when the defender peeled off vs TB releasing the ball.

IF he threw the ball after CP broke open, you're absolutely right. That was a blown coverage and no reason not to put some touch on that pass. Easy TD.

[808vikingsfan]

Nice stat. Vikings were 3/3 in redzone efficiency.

[Mothman]

There was a comment to this point under the vid you posted. It would be nice to see a different angle that shows when the defender peeled off vs TB releasing the ball.

IF he threw the ball after CP broke open, you're absolutely right. That was a blown coverage and no reason not to put some touch on that pass. Easy TD.

When the coaches film becomes available this week, we'll have to take a closer look at it. we should be able to see when the ball was released and when Patterson came open.

I really like the way Bridgewater responded to the early misses today. He didn't go in the tank over them or start forcing throws. He seems to handle adversity well. It's very encouraging to see him leading the team to scores in two-minute situations, against deficits, etc.

[Boon]

Nice stat. Vikings were 3/3 in redzone efficiency.

a stat that seriously matters. they did good.