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chicagopurple wrote:exactly...no one on this entire website has been calling to replace Teddy. Whats needed is a REAL OL and for Teddy to mature and show improvement. His first year was a pleasant surprise. His second year was at best stagnation but in some way a bit of regression. Time to man up. The best thing to help him accomplish this would be a real OL, not new receivers.

I agree. I thought the OL blew it for all the skill players, including AD and the running game. It wasn't Peterson's fault whenever a swarm of defensive players were on him a split second after the hand-off. And if Bridgewater doesn't get time to set and throw, it doesn't help the WRs either.

Give Bridgewater decent pass blocking and we'll see what happens. If then he doesn't show progress, it's time to think about a new QB.

Vikings, Mike Wallace Will Discuss Pay Cut at NFL Combine

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2620 ... fl-combine

chicagopurple wrote:OR Teddy wasted the play by taking the easy way out and throwing a meaningless 2 yr pass.

Given the first part of your post I'm not sure why you'd conclude that was a bad decision...

halfgiz wrote:Vikings, Mike Wallace Will Discuss Pay Cut at NFL Combine

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2620 ... fl-combine

I wonder what it would say about the culture this team is building if they managed to get Kalil, Wallace, Loadholt and Sullivan to take pay cuts. If they could get Peterson to do the same it would be pretty amazing. Sort of like David West opting out of 13 million to take 1.6 million and play for the Spurs.

Demi wrote:
Chances we upgrade any offensive line position? We've been signing/drafting for years. We could draft a 1st round player to start at right guard, and it's possible they're worse than Harris.

Well first of all Harris was very solid all year for us if you actually paid attention. And second, just because we missed on a few OL over the years, that means we won't find a good one this year?? ok good logic

What else would you have done with the 4th overall pick of the 2012 NFL draft.....I'll tell you, draft Matt Kalil.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:Well first of all Harris was very solid all year for us if you actually paid attention.

That was my point, if you actually paid attention.

And second, just because we missed on a few OL over the years, that means we won't find a good one this year?? ok good logic

Logic? Again, it's possible we do, it's possible we don't. You know what's illogical? To just assume someone we sign or draft is a "good" one. Or as I pointed out, an upgrade over Harris, or Kalil, or Loadholt, or Fusco, or whoever starts at center.

Demi wrote: Logic? Again, it's possible we do, it's possible we don't. You know what's illogical? To just assume someone we sign or draft is a "good" one. Or as I pointed out, an upgrade over Harris, or Kalil, or Loadholt, or Fusco, or whoever starts at center.

Did I once say they would automatically be good? No. But am I going to throw all hopes out the door because we "missed" on Kalil a few years back? No.

fiestavike wrote: I wonder what it would say about the culture this team is building if they managed to get Kalil, Wallace, Loadholt and Sullivan to take pay cuts. If they could get Peterson to do the same it would be pretty amazing. Sort of like David West opting out of 13 million to take 1.6 million and play for the Spurs.

If you guys got all of those players to take pay cuts, that is an impressive job on Spielmans part, but im interested to see if they were legitimate pay cuts or just restructures designed to move their cap hits down the road, I know their was a big misconception a couple years back when Brady restructured that most people thought he actually took less money.

who cares if Kalil or Fusco take a pay cut? They are still substandard players and we dont need them. buying spoiled food but claiming you got it on sale doesnt make it a smart buy........

I don't see Fusco in the same light as Kalil...

but that's my opinion .. I respect yours as well

chicagopurple wrote:buying spoiled food but claiming you got it on sale doesnt make it a smart buy........

Touche

jackal wrote:I don't see Fusco in the same light as Kalil...

but that's my opinion .. I respect yours as well

But they are both hard to trust. Fusco has had as many good years as Kalil. ONE. I was a big Fusco fan right around when he got that contract but he dropped off quite a bit since. I don't trust either of them to be honest. The only one I really like, as long as he stays at RG, is Harris. I think the position switch hurt Fusco as well. But comparing who was a better RG, I think Harris has the upper hand on that one. Not by much though.

No matter how you look at it, when your QB is the most pressured QB in the nfl, there are going to be problems. Could Teddy have done better? Yeah, could the receivers have done better? Yeah, is it understandable why they had issues? Absolutely. I'm not sure if getting sully and load back is going to completely fix the issue, especially with the injuries they have. The scheme will probably be new though, more than likely, lets see if that helps.


Zim canned Davidson, and he obviously wasn't happy about the protection, he even said it in multiple post game pressers. That gives me assurance that they are well aware of the issue, and not just blowing it off with pc BS like with CP84.

Boon wrote:No matter how you look at it, when your QB is the most pressured QB in the nfl, there are going to be problems. Could Teddy have done better? Yeah, could the receivers have done better? Yeah, is it understandable why they had issues? Absolutely. I'm not sure if getting sully and load back is going to completely fix the issue, especially with the injuries they have. The scheme will probably be new though, more than likely, lets see if that helps.


Zim canned Davidson, and he obviously wasn't happy about the protection, he even said it in multiple post game pressers. That gives me assurance that they are well aware of the issue, and not just blowing it off with pc BS like with CP84.

I hear you. But action speaks louder than words. Let's see what Spielman, Zimmer and the staff actually do about the offensive line.

fiestavike wrote: I wonder what it would say about the culture this team is building if they managed to get Kalil, Wallace, Loadholt and Sullivan to take pay cuts. If they could get Peterson to do the same it would be pretty amazing. Sort of like David West opting out of 13 million to take 1.6 million and play for the Spurs.

Just wondering with not much depth/speed at WR position in the draft this year if Wallace would make out testing the FA waters.