Ryan Mallett?

[Raptorman]

Other QB's that were backups.

Tarkenton. Drafted in Third round. Was backup to Shaw who started the first 4 Viking games before Tark played.
Favre. Drafted in Second round. Third string in Atlanta behind Chris Miller and Billy Joe Tolliver. Was backup in Green Bay until Majkowski got hurt.
Joe Montana. Drafted third round. Spent first year as back up to Steve DeBerg.
Drew Brees. Drafted second round. Spent first year as back up to Doug Flutie.

Just a short list.

[Purpnation]

Which is why 19 teams passed on him. Including the Vikings twice. But we didn't need a QB that year.

Oh lord, don't remind me, Rodgers was one of my favorite collegiate athletes when he was at Cal, I actually said before the draft that as long as no body in the division gets Rodgers I would be happy. I couldn't believe when he fell in the draft, and even more so when people seemingly wrote him off before his first start.

Damn I hate the Packers.

[Purpnation]

Other QB's that were backups.

Tarkenton. Drafted in Third round. Was backup to Shaw who started the first 4 Viking games before Tark played.
Favre. Drafted in Second round. Third string in Atlanta behind Chris Miller and Billy Joe Tolliver. Was backup in Green Bay until Majkowski got hurt.
Joe Montana. Drafted third round. Spent first year as back up to Steve DeBerg.
Drew Brees. Drafted second round. Spent first year as back up to Doug Flutie.

Just a short list.

Blasphemy! Everybody knows back up QBs can't be any good, or else they would not be back ups!!

[King James]

No one wanted him until the Patriots took him late in the 3rd round. He has played in one regular season game, with a very good Patriots team threw 4 passes had one completion and one interception. His professional QB rating is 5.2 yes five point two. So I am confused why you say that he is a great quarterback.

No one took Russel Wilson until the first round and look what happened? Being drafted low doesn't mean you're not good. Hell Tom Brady got drafted in the 6th round and he's better than most QBs who've been drafted in rounds ahead of him. He only had one game! I remember Brett Favre only had like one game with the Falcons and the play resulted in the pick. Then he got traded to Green Bay and BOOM! Future HoF and Super Bowl champ.

So I'm really not feeling your stance on this. Noted that Mallet has never really been given a chance to earn a starting spot.

[Purple bruise]

Calling any statement made by anybody "outlandish", after previously saying that back up QBs can't be good if they are back ups (Even considering those on teams with HOF QBs) is quite silly.

You better try reading what I posted. I did not say that backup Qbs cant't be good I did say most aren't that good. If they were/are that good they would be starting on some other qb needy team. Some have certainly left a backup role and have been very good to great (Rodgers and Brady). They are the exception to the rule. What I was trying to say is that what backup QB out there now would you want to base the franchize's future on by not drafting a QB this year. Someone, maybe it was you, said trade for Mallett and then just draft defensive players. For me I could not think of any 2nd string QBs to take on that role and certainly not Mallett.

[Raptorman]

No one wanted him until the Patriots took him late in the 3rd round. He has played in one regular season game, with a very good Patriots team threw 4 passes had one completion and one interception. His professional QB rating is 5.2 yes five point two. So I am confused why you say that he is a great quarterback.

You never know how a player will play until they get the chance to play.

Tarkenton. 3rd round pick
Favre. 2nd round pick
Montana 3rd round pick
Brees 2nd round pick

[frosted]

You are Joking of course I DO NOT THINK MALLETT IS A GREAT QUARTERBACK by any stretch of my imagination.

I'm not saying Mallett is a great QB, all I am saying is he has as good a chance, if not better (I believe better) of panning out, as any of the quarterbacks we could draft in the third round of this year's draft. He has the tools to get it done, if you followed the NFL longer than just these last two seasons, you would know that Ryan Mallett was considered a first round pick until some character issues caused him to fall in the draft. The Pats apparently had him as the best quarterback on their board that year. I can say for myself, I've seen him do things on a football field that excite me, and make me believe he could be a solid NFL starter. He has great arm talent and he makes good progressions, from the pocket. He impressed me a lot of times with his ability to stand in there and face pressure and make the throw. Four NFL pass attempts do not tell the tale of someone's ability, sorry.

Clearly, you have a different opinion, which is ABSOLUTELY fine - you would rather we use this theoretical third round pick and take a rookie in the draft, I'm assuming? I don't blame you, I wouldn't mind if we went that route either. I am simply presenting a case for why trading a 3rd rounder for Ryan Mallett wouldn't be a terrible thing either. I just don't understand why you feel the need to continue bashing everyone else's opinions if they are not exactly the same as yours. You come off as a very angry person.

Here's an honest question - compare and contrast, Mallett and a QB you might find in the third round of this year's draft. What things does that QB have that makes you trust them as much as you do, and Mallett so little? Like I said, I respect your opinion, just trying to foster some constructive discussion about this topic.

[Purpnation]

You better try reading what I posted. I did not say that backup Qbs cant't be good I did say most aren't that good. If they were/are that good they would be starting on some other qb needy team. Some have certainly left a backup role and have been very good to great (Rodgers and Brady). They are the exception to the rule. What I was trying to say is that what backup QB out there now would you want to base the franchize's future on by not drafting a QB this year. Someone, maybe it was you, said trade for Mallett and then just draft defensive players. For me I could not think of any 2nd string QBs to take on that role and certainly not Mallett.

I feel you. I will say however, that I would tend to give the benefit of the doubt to a player currently sitting behind a Hall of Famer, or at least not use the fact that he is a back up against him.

[frosted]

If Mallett wasn't on a roster right now, let's say he was coming out in the draft. Would we all feel comfortable dropping a 3rd rounder on him then? I certainly would, from what I have seen, he is as talented as any quarterback in this draft that we could get in the 3rd round.

[Purple bruise]

Other QB's that were backups.

Tarkenton. Drafted in Third round. Was backup to Shaw who started the first 4 Viking games before Tark played.
Favre. Drafted in Second round. Third string in Atlanta behind Chris Miller and Billy Joe Tolliver. Was backup in Green Bay until Majkowski got hurt.
Joe Montana. Drafted third round. Spent first year as back up to Steve DeBerg.
Drew Brees. Drafted second round. Spent first year as back up to Doug Flutie.

Just a short list.

Yeah I agree but your list compared to 32 teams x as many backups as they have had/have pales in comparison to the number that have succeeded and gone on to be great QBs.

[Raptorman]

Yeah I agree but your list compared to 32 teams x as many backups as they have had/have pales in comparison to the number that have succeeded and gone on to be great QBs.

Ditto for those QB who were drafted. All those first round "locks".

[Purple bruise]

I feel you. I will say however, that I would tend to give the benefit of the doubt to a player currently sitting behind a Hall of Famer, or at least not use the fact that he is a back up against him.

Of course when a backup is playing behind a ledgendary QB like Favre or Brady he is not going to see the field barring injury. We see every year that when a star QB goes down usually that meands the demise of the offense. Yes there are exceptions to the rule. But I have not seen any indication what so ever that Mallett could be "that guy". You are entitled to your own opinion of course. I did say that when a poster says that NO ONE thought that Rodgers would turn into a good QB is outlandish. He was taken in the 1st round and the coaches and players saw him everyday in practice. They felt good enough about him to let Favre "walk" didn't they? So somebody must have though fairly highly and confident in his abilities. So to make a stement like "NO ONE thought he would be good is a lot of crap (in my humble opinion).

[Purpnation]

They didn't let Favre walk as much as he forced his way out by being a ####.

But aside from that, I was not arguing that Mallett could or would be that guy, I honestly am with you in the thinking that it would be a waste to go out and aquire him, my only point was that criticizing a guy for being a backup (Or insinuating that his ability is the reason he is a backup.) when he plays for the same team as Tom Brady is a bit ridiculous. A load of crap as you might say.

Your opinion on Rodgers is legit, I may have exaggerating by saying "Noone" but I will say that I was a huge fan of Rodgers in his collegiate days, and I just recall alot of people writing Rodgers off way too early in his career. I for one was one of them. (More out of hope then anything else though.)

[Purple bruise]

They didn't let Favre walk as much as he forced his way out by being a ####.

But aside from that, I was not arguing that Mallett could or would be that guy, I honestly am with you in the thinking that it would be a waste to go out and aquire him, my only point was that criticizing a guy for being a backup (Or insinuating that his ability is the reason he is a backup.) when he plays for the same team as Tom Brady is a bit ridiculous. A load of crap as you might say.

Your opinion on Rodgers is legit, I may have exaggerating by saying "Noone" but I will say that I was a huge fan of Rodgers in his collegiate days, and I just recall alot of people writing Rodgers off way too early in his career. I for one was one of them. (More out of hope then anything else though.)

Okay, it is all good SKOL

[Purple bruise]

They didn't let Favre walk as much as he forced his way out by being a ####.

But aside from that, I was not arguing that Mallett could or would be that guy, I honestly am with you in the thinking that it would be a waste to go out and aquire him, my only point was that criticizing a guy for being a backup (Or insinuating that his ability is the reason he is a backup.) when he plays for the same team as Tom Brady is a bit ridiculous. A load of crap as you might say.

Your opinion on Rodgers is legit, I may have exaggerating by saying "Noone" but I will say that I was a huge fan of Rodgers in his collegiate days, and I just recall alot of people writing Rodgers off way too early in his career. I for one was one of them. (More out of hope then anything else though.)

It is all good SKOL