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VikingLord wrote: If these guys want to win, then they understand that sometimes you have to take a step backwards to take two forward, and if I were on the team I would have more questions about a coach who guns his star RB for 35 carries to win a meaningless game than I would about a coach who starts throttling his key talent back a bit in that situation with an eye towards next year. What shows greater concern for those veteran players is more a matter of perspective, don't you think, especially in light of the recent injury to AD.
I think showing an appreciation of context is the mark of a coach and GM worth something. I think making those tough calls in tough situations is exactly the kind of medicine this organization needs. Integrity is doing what needs to be done even if it's difficult. I'd say shifting approach to maximize future value in this situation is the definition of integrity.

And like I said - that isn't equivalent to intentionally losing.

in seven appearances in 2013, [McCown] has thrown for 1,809 yards, 13 touchdowns, one interception and has posted an overall quarterback rating of 109.8.

Texas Vike wrote:Any chance either Cutler or McCown come on over to a division rival next year?
The guy played lights out last night.

Texas Vike wrote:Any chance either Cutler or McCown come on over to a division rival next year?
The guy played lights out last night.

dead_poet wrote:I'm not taking either without Trestman.

Mothman wrote: He did, although he was lucky a few potential picks were dropped. Overall, he's really been playing well.

McCown is 34 so he'd probably be a stopgap at best but he might be able to serve them as a starter for a year or two while they develop a younger QB behind him.

I have no idea what will happen with Cutler, how much he'd want to be paid, or if he'd be worth it. He's obviously talented but he's had a tough time staying healthy. I heard today that if the Bears don't re-sign him, the Titans might pursue him.

Texas Vike wrote:Sometimes it just takes that long for things to fully click.

dead_poet wrote: Sometimes it also takes the right coaching and system, which I think is a large part of what's happening here. Put McCown on any other team and I'm convinced he wouldn't be doing nearly as well. Happy for him, though.

Texas Vike wrote: Do you think Ponder would excel in that system? Is it THAT good?

Webbfann wrote:hahaha, this has turned hilarious. If anyone had mentioned Josh McCown 8 weeks ago the board would have groaned in agony that he is a career backup, and his NFL fate is pre-ordained. Look at his stats, I mean there is NOTHING in there that would lead the crystal ball readers to predict he has any potential at all. They're horrible! He's never risen more than a hair above 50/50 TD/INT. Plus, OM freakin G, he's THIRTY-FOUR FREAKING YEARS OLD, even more over the hill than our washed up, "career backup" Matt Cassel who also has no future.

dead_poet wrote: It's Josh Freaking McCown from crying out loud.

Texas Vike wrote:My question, DP, is why did Cutler look average in the same system earlier in the season?

We have to give McCown SOME credit).

I'm simply pointing out that a guy who has floated around the league, and OTHER leagues even, has finally become successful. The QB position is a freaking enigma and I find it fascinating that a guy like McCown can suddenly, at 34, find serious success in the NFL after a previous history of mediocrity (or worse).

CBS Analyst Phil Simms: “If I could be a quarterback for any coach in professional football, with no hesitation, I would take ( Marc Trestman ) as a coach, along with Matt Cavanaugh, the quarterbacks coach. And I want to run their offense. It’s so clear, so precise. Jay Cutler was playing exceptionally well. And now we see Josh McCown – he knows what he’s doing every play. You can tell there’s a calmness about him. Why are they so calm? Because they are prepared and they feel good about what they’re doing going into the game. (The Bears) protect the quarterback.”

Rich Gannon on Marc Trestman: I think he’s a terrific football coach. I had the opportunity to go there and spend a day with the Bears and the quarterbacks. I was very impressed with not just Marc, but that whole quarterback room… (Josh McCown) said that the thing that has impressed him the most is Marc’s poise. What Marc talks about on Wednesday and Thursday usually happens on Sunday. And when it doesn’t, he doesn’t panic. He doesn’t scrap the game plan. He stays the course.”

dead_poet wrote: Average is relative. I'm pretty sure he was on pace to break most (if not all) of his previous career highs (save for possibly '08 in Denver). His completion percentage is higher than it's ever been in Chicago and he was on pace to throw more touchdown passes than he ever has in a Bears uniform. He's also been playing injured some, which has some bearing.
Of course we do. Though, his career passer rating was 71.2 before he met Trestman. Even when he started 13 games with a young Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona in 2004, it was 74.1. Trestman has something of a reputation for getting the best out of his quarterbacks.
It IS fascinating.

FWIW, here are a couple quotes from noteworthy people: