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So the NFL top 100 holds value?JEC334 wrote:I usually don't care about these rankings because they dont really whole much value. But did he make the list on the NFL's official top 100 list? If so what rank?
Obviously since everyone keeps bringing up other articles and websites that has Sullivan in their top 100 but he's not in the official NFL top 100, therefore he is overrated. I bet if he stinks this year, people are just going to blame it on the injury. The guy is an average center at best.dead_poet wrote: So the NFL top 100 holds value?
He didn't make the list. Only five offensive linemen did. One center (Unger).
Obviously that is the definitive ranking system and all others that don't fit your notion are without merit. Never mind he finished third in all-pro voting and what others say. This is probably futile, butJEC334 wrote:Obviously since everyone keeps bringing up other articles and websites that has Sullivan in their top 100 but he's not in the official NFL top 100, therefore he is overrated.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2013-offen ... --nfl.htmlOverview: This is another young, rising O-Line. Kalil, 23, Sullivan, 27, and Loadholt, 27, are Minnesota's elite up-front pieces
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... e-lines/3/9. Minnesota Vikings (7)
Stud: It might not be the coolest thing to say, but there’s no denying that over the past two years the best center in the league has been John Sullivan (+27.3).
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/2012 ... ades012713Offensive linemen
• John Sullivan (A-): Awarded a five-year, $25.1 million contract extension in December 2011, Sullivan erased any doubt he has ascended among the NFL's elite centers. Played all 1,097 snaps despite battling an ankle injury that hampered him early in the season. Continued to display technique and improving power, even against larger nose tackles. Worked well on combo blocks with new guards on either side of him. Has excellent instincts. Got whipped by Chicago's Henry Melton for one sack in 2.6 seconds, had a hand in another and otherwise was mostly clean in protection. Allowed 13 total QB pressures. Took two penalties, for an illegal snap and a hold. Had several poor shotgun snaps against Tampa Bay -- including one that glanced off Ponder's shin on third-and-6 -- but has come a long way in that aspect, too. Has developed into the group's leader. Deserved to go to the Pro Bowl and missed out on a $500,000 escalator because he didn't. Offensive linemen tend to mature later than some other positions, meaning Sullivan probably is only entering his prime at age 27. He's one to build around.
--film review of a playJust getting to the linebacker on the play would be enough, but Sullivan isn’t done. Not only does he maintain contact throughout; just as Peterson bounces outside his fullback’s lead block on the strong safety, Sullivan is able to completely turn the middle linebacker back inside. On the play, he’s moved from the hash mark on the left side of the field to halfway between the numbers and the hash mark on the right side. The difficulty of doing that is hard to explain. It involved the right step, the right angle, the adequate quickness, constant footwork, and the desire to even make that complete of a play. Plays like that leave no question who’s the leader of this new Vikings line and why AD is enjoying its benefits.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... owl-snubs/The worst pick of all is Packers center Jeff Saturday, who has had such a bad season that he got benched last week, being chosen as one of the NFC’s two centers. Vikings center John Sullivan would have been a much, much better choice. Sullivan had a particularly strong season on an offensive line that went totally unrecognized by the Pro Bowl selectors despite helping Adrian Peterson threaten the NFL record for rushing yards in a season.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... 17581.htmlWithout question, Sullivan emerged as the leader while Kalil’s immediate impact further validated the Vikings’ choice to use the No. 4 pick in last year’s draft on him.
Sullivan’s rise has been a fun one to keep an eye on. Five years ago, the Vikings nabbed him in the sixth round and were not exactly banking on that pick paying long-term dividends. They feared he was too slow and a bit too small to be much more than a serviceable back-up. But they also saw enough intangibles that they figured Sullivan was an OK value pick.
Since then, with a superb combination of intelligence and drive, Sullivan has kept getting better. So much so that the Vikings gave him an eye-opening five-year, $25 million extension in December 2011. Sullivan rewarded the organization with his best season yet, emerging as a standout who even received seven All-Pro votes.
It's because he's "garbage" and "an average center at best".dead_poet wrote:He may not be THE BEST center in the league, but I'd like to hear reasons why he's not top-5.
What do you want to bet?JEC334 wrote:I bet in the next 2 or 3 years, the Vikings will be looking for a new center. Sully is not the answer, he is not a leader. On a championship caliber team he would most likely be a back-up.
lol. Oh no. Not those people.JEC334 wrote:You're right Melanie. That being said, I bet a lot of these John Sullivan supporters were probably the same people who thought Joe Webb was our future franchise QB.
as a guy who's been part of this board more than a few months can say that you're pretty wrong about that. in fact, very few of us said that about webb.JEC334 wrote:You're right Melanie. That being said, I bet a lot of these John Sullivan supporters were probably the same people who thought Joe Webb was our future franchise QB.