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Purple bruise wrote: Man this has gotten way out of hand. There are those and I am not one of them, that believe TB is on his way to stardom. I hope that he becomes a very good QB and can lead this team, but a star qb, highly unlikely. The Vikes have been QB "starved" for so long that when a qb ie. TB, makes a nice deep throw to an open Charley Johnson then wow what an amazing play Or when at the end of regulation against a very poor Jets's team, he throws a ball behind the line of scrimmage (most high school QBs could make that same throw) to a receiver who gets outstanding blocks and uses his skills to win the game on an 87 yard game winning td.. That was wonderful that they won in overtime. but really any qb in the NFL could have made that play 9 times out of 10. Had Walsh won the game in regular time TB would have ended up with just over 200 yds. passing. He was careful with his play and did not turn the ball over, that is great. In my estimation he has improved vastly as the season goes along. I hope he continues. My whole premise was/is that when a potential super star type QB comes along, with all of the things that I want in a QB, size, strength, accuracy and mobility comes a long and there is a chance to draft him then I say go for it. Most people don't agree and that is fine, this is my opinion. As far as this unnamed QB being an NFL bust I say BS!
Time will tell.

There wasn't anyone on here saying they were astonished by Teddy's game winning TD. I think we all realize anyone could make that throw. It was just a good play overall from blocking down to YAC so I'm not sure why you're going into that. As for the "unnamed" QB, his arm strength is no better than Bridgewaters. Daniel Jeremiah just said the same thing about a week ago. As for mobility, Teddy can be just as mobile if he wanted to but doesn't rely on that and instead sticks in the pocket, goes through his progressions and delivers. Something that Mr. Oregon fails to do. He's very similar to Ponder in THAT aspect. He struggles to go through progressions and relies on his legs (No I'm not even trying to compare Ponder to Mariota...just simply saying how they both rely on their legs and fail to consistently go through progressions). We don't need a guy like that nor does he fit in Norv's system.

A.D_blazing wrote:Any Qbs drafted in the 1st or 2nd round are expected to eventually start for their team. When was the last time an NFL team drafted in the early rounds(1st,2nd) back to back years a QB to hold a clipboard?That's a wasted draft pick!

Bingo!! Exactly what I have been saying. From what I recall, I don't think anyone has ever done that. There is free agency and rounds 4-7 to find a viable backup and in our case....a 3rd stringer.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: There wasn't anyone on here saying they were astonished by Teddy's game winning TD. I think we all realize anyone could make that throw. It was just a good play overall from blocking down to YAC so I'm not sure why you're going into that. As for the "unnamed" QB, his arm strength is no better than Bridgewaters. Daniel Jeremiah just said the same thing about a week ago. As for mobility, Teddy can be just as mobile if he wanted to but doesn't rely on that and instead sticks in the pocket, goes through his progressions and delivers. Something that Mr. Oregon fails to do. He's very similar to Ponder in THAT aspect. He struggles to go through progressions and relies on his legs (No I'm not even trying to compare Ponder to Mariota...just simply saying how they both rely on their legs and fail to consistently go through progressions). We don't need a guy like that nor does he fit in Norv's system.

Dude you think that Teddy could be/is a mobile a Mr. Oregon. Really Instead of talking the same crap over and over, lets just see how they both do in the Pros. Do you actually watch any of his college games? There is NO comparison between the two, night and day.IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdQcqop2R-w

Well, there's a difference between mobility and speed. Teddy is very mobile in the pocket, but he isn't matching Mariota's speed.

in all honestly reading over all of this constant negativity just makes me want to gag on my own vomit. teddy is the best thing to happen to us in 5 years and yet the negativity still comes out. keep in mind, he is doing all of this without ANY semblance of an offense around him and you people are talking about mariota? ARE YOU SERIOUS? i suppose it never ends. i come on here hoping for a half intelligent conversation and yet most of the time it is a 3rd grade level useless argument.
pacificnorsewest you are talking about mariota's speed? well answer this, why would a pocket passer like bridgewater need speed? i'll give you the answer--he doesn't.

They just don't know my man. "Grass is always greener..."

Teddy is the real deal. Real quarterback.

Everybody..chill.

PacificNorseWest wrote:Well, there's a difference between mobility and speed. Teddy is very mobile in the pocket, but he isn't matching Mariota's speed.

You are right there is a huge difference in being mobile or fast, being strong and being a great open field runner.
My thoughts are these. With the Viking's crappy O-line, do you want/need a QB that steps up in the pocket when most times there is no pocket, or have a QB that is stong, mobile, fast and elusive who will not stand in there and get sacked time and time again?

Purple bruise wrote: You are right there is a huge difference in being mobile or fast, being strong and being a great open field runner.
My thoughts are these. With the Viking's crappy O-line, do you want/need a QB that steps up in the pocket when most times there is no pocket, or have a QB that is stong, mobile, fast and elusive who will not stand in there and get sacked time and time again?

I want the quarterback who will stand in the pocket, step up, and make a strong throw to the open receiver. I believe that Teddy has shown the ability to do so, and I believe that he will continue to do so. I don't know enough about Mariota to state an informed opinion on him.

Pocket mobility, quick release, accuracy and defensive recognition is what makes truly great quarterbacks and not the ability to run when there's pressure. Michael Vick/Colin Kaepernick vs. Peyton Manning/Tom Brady illustrate this perfectly.

PacificNorseWest wrote:Pocket mobility, quick release, accuracy and defensive recognition is what makes truly great quarterbacks and not the ability to run when there's pressure. Michael Vick/Colin Kaepernick vs. Peyton Manning/Tom Brady illustrate this perfectly.

I would take Manning's o-line and Brady's too compared to the Vikes joke of a line. I would love to see how those two would perform playing with the Vike's line.

frosted wrote: I want the quarterback who will stand in the pocket, step up, and make a strong throw to the open receiver. I believe that Teddy has shown the ability to do so, and I believe that he will continue to do so. I don't know enough about Mariota to state an informed opinion on him.

The issue when it comes to these "running" quarterbacks isn't that they don't know how to throw or lack a specific skill set...It's that they never appropriately mature the mental aspect of the game to the level that it takes for them to succeed long-term in the NFL. All through their football careers, they relied heavily on their athleticism -- and it worked. When things break down, they know they're faster than everybody so they take off after one read. They never develop that mental aptitude it takes in order to go through a full progression and understand what they're seeing. Fast forward to the NFL and once those NFL defenses adjust and have enough tape on said quarterback, he begins to crack to the level of what you're seeing from Kaepernick now. He never had to read defenses before because his arm was always strong enough to through it when the receiver got open as opposed to what the more mentally astute quarterback would see in the anticipation of the receiver getting open. And if he didn't like what he saw, he knew he could outrun everybody. I called Kaepernick's downfall two years ago when I realized he couldn't read a defense. I said exactly that if he didn't learn that side of the game, what's happening to him now, would happen. I fear the same for Mariota and he doesn't even have close to the arm strength that Kaepernick has. I can literally go on and on, but I've posted a lot on it already, so I'll let it simmer for right now.

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This thread needs to chill...

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