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fiestavike wrote:Patterson's value as a kick returner is vastly overrated.

fiestavike wrote:the kickoffs sent his way sailed out the back of the endzone. His average return length was 31 yards, and since he was returning most of those from the middle/back of the endzone, on average, the Vikings would have had better starting field position if he had downed the ball. The one touchdown was nice, but it added 4 yards to his return average, which even further illustrates that the team would be better off on average for him to down the ball. He is a dynamic returner, but it just doesn't matter that much anymore. The rules have changed to such a degree that it isn't an important position any longer. In a year or two when they eliminate the kickoff, his value there will be 0.

Is he worth 5 million as a WR? I think its a legitimate question, and I could argue both sides.

YikesVikes wrote: Our tackle situation was no worst than our Guard situation.
Boone was brought in as a FA and paid very well. He is average at best. He has a big mouth but is adequate. Mike Harris is a Tackle who despite being a tackle is better than anything we have at guard. Fusco was never a favorite of mine and his contract was a rush to judgement. Should have been cut before then. Our best guards have been guys playing out of position (Berger and Harris). Again, I trust them drafting tackles more than I do guards. We're terrible at it.

Also it isn't a weak tackle draft. Plenty of guys that will be great as a RT. The problem as I explained... the LT draft is so bad, guys that would normally be RT are being forced fed into the LT role.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: Yes it was by far. Once again, Boone is a pro bowler and whether you like PFF or not, his grade is above "average" and played next to Clemmings all year. Fusco was a good guard before the injury like I said, and Harris was like a Sirles at tackle but a much better guard. What tackles have we drafted or brought in previous years that were good? None.

I don't know what guys would make "great RTs" in this draft. It's a weak tackle draft overall. That's all analysts have been saying.

MikethePurple wrote:Looks like Thielen is re-signed. Good news! Will be interesting to see exactly what the final numbers end up being.

http://www.startribune.com/source-adam- ... 416260594/

Sorry, I posted this in the wrong place mods. I tried deleting but I'm not sure how? Haven't been super active posting.....

Mothman wrote: Don't worry about it, Mike. Thanks for posting the info.

In the future, if you want to delete a post, just click on the X in the lower corner of your post.

YikesVikes wrote:
I already explained why the void at LT will impact the RT draftees.
The two guards you mentioned were FAs. Neither good. Boone getting driven into the backfield has little to do with the LT lined up with him. He simply is average.

mosscarter wrote:any updates on the murray situation? what is the plan with the running back position any thoughts?

Pondering Her Percy wrote: He's still there from what I hear

ocampo82 wrote: I hope Murray moves on. That saying "he left meat on the bone" doesn't apply to him--he was so underwhelming with a good oline.

ocampo82 wrote:Lacy left no meat on any bone

Pondering Her Percy wrote: But my question is, you aren't sure what they are doing in what sense?? We're looking into nickel DBs, we're looking into RBs, looking into WRs, etc. Plus we have the draft. And signed two offensive tackles. Outside of CP and Cap, we really lost very little. And both are definitely replaceable. There is no replacement for CP when it comes to KR but as a WR, definitely. I don't understand what everyone is so upset about. We go out and fill huge tackle voids which is what everyone wanted and there are still fans that aren't pleased. I don't get it. We didnt let Danielle Hunter and Stefon Diggs go. It was a nickel back and a #3-4 WR. They are two replaceable players. Look at the contracts up next year. We need the money for much more valuable players other than a nickel back that wanted to play outside and signed a 4 year deal at age 29 and a good kick returner. I would've like to have CP back but its not the end of the world

the kickoffs sent his way sailed out the back of the endzone. His average return length was 31 yards, and since he was returning most of those from the middle/back of the endzone, on average, the Vikings would have had better starting field position if he had downed the ball. The one touchdown was nice, but it added 4 yards to his return average, which even further illustrates that the team would be better off on average for him to down the ball. He is a dynamic returner, but it just doesn't matter that much anymore. The rules have changed to such a degree that it isn't an important position any longer. In a year or two when they eliminate the kickoff, his value there will be 0.

Is he worth 5 million as a WR? I think its a legitimate question, and I could argue both sides.