Cordarrelle Patterson

[dead_poet]

i'm going to go out on a limb here, but i would venture to say i think the problem is just a tad bit more on the qb than the freaking wide receiver coach. are you serious with this discussion? i mean should the wide receiver's coach run the routes, catch the ball, and get across the goal line too? all i know is this, patterson played better with cassel and he can't produce anything if he isn't on the field. the truth is aside from peterson, our offense is a total mess from the top down and adding a few linemen isn't going do much of anything. it starts with turner and bridgewater both, and if the production isn't there this year both need to go. bridgewater couldn't throw for a single td in two full games against seattle, and yet many viking fans were mad at walsh. you have to be kidding me.

It's not that simplistic. One of the reasons Teddy didn't throw a TD in the first game was because he had no time to throw the freaking ball. Peterson had 18 rushing yards. Was that entirely Peterson's fault then?

Via PFF recap:

The offensive line had a tough game, as all five starters finished with a negative pass block grade. G Brandon Fusco (-1.7) struggled the most in that regard, allowing a sack, a hit and two hurries en route to a team-low -2.6 pass block grade. T Matt Kalil (-2.5) finished with the lowest overall grade among them, as he allowed two hits and two hurries and was also beaten frequently in the run game. As a unit, the Vikings allowed three sacks, five hits and nine hurries. While nobody else on the offense was able to do anything really positive, the line deserves a lot of blame for poor play yesterday.

That's not to say Teddy didn't play poorly; he did. But there were other factors contributing. It wasn't all him. And you can't really blame him for the second game. If Wilson didn't have the one fluke botched play he turned into a first down/TD because Captain couldn't wrap up he wouldn't have had a passing TD either. Their passing yard stats were nearly identical (146 vs. 142)

[halfgiz]

i'm going to go out on a limb here, but i would venture to say i think the problem is just a tad bit more on the qb than the freaking wide receiver coach. are you serious with this discussion? i mean should the wide receiver's coach run the routes, catch the ball, and get across the goal line too? all i know is this, patterson played better with cassel and he can't produce anything if he isn't on the field. the truth is aside from peterson, our offense is a total mess from the top down and adding a few linemen isn't going do much of anything. it starts with turner and bridgewater both, and if the production isn't there this year both need to go. bridgewater couldn't throw for a single td in two full games against seattle, and yet many viking fans were mad at walsh. you have to be kidding me.

Nobody ever talks about or mentions George Stewart I was just asking about him.
If he is the wide recievers coach he should be responsible for the recievers. Just like the special teams coach is responsible for special teams play.

[Mothman]

It's not that simplistic. One of the reasons Teddy didn't throw a TD in the first game was because he had no time to throw the freaking ball. Peterson had 18 rushing yards. Was that entirely Peterson's fault then?

Via PFF recap:

Quote:
The offensive line had a tough game, as all five starters finished with a negative pass block grade. G Brandon Fusco (-1.7) struggled the most in that regard, allowing a sack, a hit and two hurries en route to a team-low -2.6 pass block grade. T Matt Kalil (-2.5) finished with the lowest overall grade among them, as he allowed two hits and two hurries and was also beaten frequently in the run game. As a unit, the Vikings allowed three sacks, five hits and nine hurries. While nobody else on the offense was able to do anything really positive, the line deserves a lot of blame for poor play yesterday.

That's not to say Teddy didn't play poorly; he did. But there were other factors contributing. It wasn't all him. And you can't really blame him for the second game. If Wilson didn't have the one fluke botched play he turned into a first down/TD because Captain couldn't wrap up he wouldn't have had a passing TD either.

In that playoff game, Bridgewater had Wright open for a TD at the goal line and he zeroed in on McKinnon, who was well-covered, and threw an incompletion instead. McKinnon was short of the goal line too. A potential score was right there in front of Bridgewater and he didn't see it.

I think it was one of several plays that are emblematic of both his shortcomings and the season he had in 2015.

You're absolutely right to say there are other factors to consider: line play, WR play, blocking and coaching all played a part but Bridgewater has as much to do with the poor passing production as any of them. He leaves way too many plays on the field. As you said about that first Seattle game, he played poorly.

These discussions keep cropping up and as I've said before, I think the problem is the entire passing game is dysfunctional. We can debate about how blame should be distributed but there's plenty of it to go around, from the offensive coaching to the QB to the bad line play and the mediocre receiving corps.

[jackal]

I think there does need to be a small asterisk there with respect to Harvin (and extend to Rice as well). Both had productive seasons but whether it was attitude or injury they never made it to a second contract with the team, however the talent was there and they proved it on the field (when they were on it). The extenuating circumstances surrounding those selections really did hurt, though, in both the short and long term. Both were more than capable of putting up 80+ catch, 900-yard receiving seasons.

I forget about Harvin because of all the Headache stuff that went on. Rice I think was more about Farve
than Rice himself.....After Seattle over paid for him I don't remember him tearing up the leaque.

[dead_poet]

#Vikings' Mike Zimmer talked receivers with PFT Live this week. Still has hope for Charles Johnson grabbing a role.

Comments here (with Patterson as well): https://twitter.com/andrew_krammer/stat ... 6130807810

[Mothman]

I forget about Harvin because of all the Headache stuff that went on. Rice I think was more about Farve
than Rice himself.....After Seattle over paid for him I don't remember him tearing up the leaque.

He struggled to stay healthy (much like he did with the Vikes).

[losperros]

Comments here (with Patterson as well): https://twitter.com/andrew_krammer/stat ... 6130807810

Thanks for the link.

I sincerely hope that everything Zimmer says here will come true for the team and its receivers.

[fiestavike]

In that playoff game, Bridgewater had Wright open for a TD at the goal line and he zeroed in on McKinnon, who was well-covered, and threw an incompletion instead. McKinnon was short of the goal line too. A potential score was right there in front of Bridgewater and he didn't see it.

I think it was one of several plays that are emblematic of both his shortcomings and the season he had in 2015.

You're absolutely right to say there are other factors to consider: line play, WR play, blocking and coaching all played a part but Bridgewater has as much to do with the poor passing production as any of them. He leaves way too many plays on the field. As you said about that first Seattle game, he played poorly.

These discussions keep cropping up and as I've said before, I think the problem is the entire passing game is dysfunctional. We can debate about how blame should be distributed but there's plenty of it to go around, from the offensive coaching to the QB to the bad line play and the mediocre receiving corps.

Disregard if I am thinking of the wrong play. Is this the play you posted pics or gifs of in previous thread a while back? As I recall the defenders were in prime position to shut down either route. Neither player was open. As soon as Teddy placed his feet to throw, the defender reacted and jumped McKinnon. There is no reason to think if he had placed his feet to throw to Wright, they wouldn't have jumped that route. they were within a few yards of either player and the photos showed the LB breaking on McKinnon only after the fact. It would have been blown up with either decision in all likelihood. If this isn't the play you are referencing disregard. Or feel free to disregard in any case if you prefer

[mondry]

Disregard if I am thinking of the wrong play. Is this the play you posted pics or gifs of in previous thread a while back? As I recall the defenders were in prime position to shut down either route. Neither player was open. As soon as Teddy placed his feet to throw, the defender reacted and jumped McKinnon. There is no reason to think if he had placed his feet to throw to Wright, they wouldn't have jumped that route. they were within a few yards of either player and the photos showed the LB breaking on McKinnon only after the fact. It would have been blown up with either decision in all likelihood. If this isn't the play you are referencing disregard. Or feel free to disregard in any case if you prefer

I remember the play as well, not going to get into it.

One thing I was thinking about, what if we don't draft a WR and it forces them to play Patterson who then goes off and becomes our #1!

May sound crazy but keep in mind, Diggs wouldn't have ever seen the field if CJ didn't get injured and forced their hand.

[Mothman]

Disregard if I am thinking of the wrong play. Is this the play you posted pics or gifs of in previous thread a while back? As I recall the defenders were in prime position to shut down either route. Neither player was open. As soon as Teddy placed his feet to throw, the defender reacted and jumped McKinnon. There is no reason to think if he had placed his feet to throw to Wright, they wouldn't have jumped that route. they were within a few yards of either player and the photos showed the LB breaking on McKinnon only after the fact. It would have been blown up with either decision in all likelihood. If this isn't the play you are referencing disregard. Or feel free to disregard in any case if you prefer

That's the play and it was clear on film that Wright was open for an easy TD. Nobody on Seattle's defense reacted at the snap in a way that would have allowed them to prevent the TD.

[Mothman]

I remember the play as well, not going to get into it.

One thing I was thinking about, what if we don't draft a WR and it forces them to play Patterson who then goes off and becomes our #1!

They they'll have to hire a towel boy just to wipe egg off the faces of Mike Zimmer and Norv Turner.

[fiestavike]

That's the play and it was clear on film that Wright was open for an easy TD. Nobody on Seattle's defense reacted at the snap in a way that would have allowed them to prevent the TD.

I don't have the pictures in front of me, just going off memory, so perhaps I'm wrong, but I remember seeing it differently. I'm content to agree to disagree.

[Cliff]

They they'll have to hire a towel boy just to wipe egg off the faces of Mike Zimmer and Norv Turner.

Just depends on the spin. If the reason he goes off is because he's running super crisp routes on top of his athletic ability they'll look like geniuses.

[fiestavike]

I think they've said this repeatedly but here it is reiterated again.

Zimmer:

we’re hoping Cordarrelle Patterson finally gets it on the right track. He’s got to be more disciplined, he’s got to be more specific in his routes, be more disciplined in where he lines up so that quarterbacks can trust him.

http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/S ... 132da08d64

[fiestavike]

Spielman

“I think he wants to prove to everybody that he wants to be a receiver, and this is the year that he’s going to get the opportunity to do that,” Spielman said. “There’s no question about his ability and to me, he’s the best kickoff return specialist in the league right now. We just have to see if we can get it out of him at receiver.”

“You can’t just rely on your tremendous athletic ability, your tremendous speed,” Spielman said. “You have to hone in your skills on the technical part of the game, and I think as he’s matured, he’s finally realizing that. I know this offseason he’s been working extra hard, and I think he’ll have a point to prove when he comes back.”

http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/S ... 132da08d64