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PacificNorseWest wrote: Completely agree.
Completely disagree.

Culpepper had his best season as a pro during a year when Moss was mostly hurt and inactive. Saying Culpepper was just an "average QB at best" is pretty transparent criticism. If you don't like the guy for whatever reason, that's your choice. But you can't change Pep being probably the most athletically inclined QB the Vikings ever had, what with his cannon arm, passing accuracy, and great mobility. Add to that the fact that he threw for 8196 yards with 64 TDs in a two year span during the 2003 and 2004 seasons.

Yeah, Culpepper's injury cut things short. But for a brief time, the guy was developing into one heck of a QB.
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Losperos:

"Completely disagree.

Culpepper had his best season as a pro during a year when Moss was mostly hurt and inactive. Saying Culpepper was just an "average QB at best" is pretty transparent criticism. If you don't like the guy for whatever reason, that's your choice. But you can't change Pep being probably the most athletically inclined QB the Vikings ever had, what with his cannon arm, passing accuracy, and great mobility. Add to that the fact that he threw for 8196 yards with 64 TDs in a two year span during the 2003 and 2004 seasons.

Yeah, Culpepper's injury cut things short. But for a brief time, the guy was developing into one heck of a QB.[/quote]

I must say that during Pep's time with the Vikes he had an outstanding line and great receivers to throw to. His last year of playing for the Vikes(2005), right up until his injury, he sucked. He had thrown 12 ints. to only 6 tds. and was fumbling the ball left and right.
I like Pep a whole lot but a lot of his success had to do more with the team than him being great.
He did have some outstanding "tools" with his arm strength, size and mobility.
For my money, Cunningham was more athletic and had just as much accuracy and nearly as much arm strength. I wish that the Vikes had gotten him earlier in his career.
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Re: 21 Year Old Ted Bridgewater

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But you can't change Pep being probably the most athletically inclined QB the Vikings ever had, what with his cannon arm, passing accuracy, and great mobility.
So? What's a players potential got to do with this? You can say say the exact same for Colin Kaepernick. It's now apparent that he too was overrated after his initial outburst of "success."

I will agree that saying he was "average at best" is harsh, but where I agree is that he is overrated by most. He had 2 great years and 1 good year. The rest were nothing special at all. He's led the league in fumbles a few times, he was top 10 in sacks in years where he played the majority of the season and he definitely benefited from having Moss/Carter. Specifically Moss, who could bail quarterbacks out of a lot of messes.

It was a fun run there for about 3-4 years though. That's for damn sure.

I also think Moss damn near single handedly revived Cunningham, albeit for one year, because just prior and after 1998, Cunningham wasn't close to the player people like to remember and his numbers were most definitely inflated by the team around him.

Again, this is solely based around the quarterback himself. I know that most would benefit from guys like Moss, Reed, Carter, Smith, etc., but evaluating on their own...Overrated a bit.
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Purple bruise wrote:must say that during Pep's time with the Vikes he had an outstanding line and great receivers to throw to. His last year of playing for the Vikes(2005), right up until his injury, he sucked. He had thrown 12 ints. to only 6 tds. and was fumbling the ball left and right.
He definitely started off terribly, with 8 INTs and 2 lost fumbles in the first 2 games. The whole offense was a mess at the beginning of the year under first year OC Steve Loney.

However, after those first two games, he played better. He had an excellent performance in a win over the Saints (21-29, 300 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs) and he had another superb performance a few weeks later against Green Bay (23-31, 280 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs).

They basically asked him to carry the offense early that season and it worked out poorly. He had several turnovers on good passes that were botched by his receivers and I recall at least one that was just a heave and a prayer near the end of a half, trying to make something happen. It was essentially a punt.

There's no doubt he had his struggles in 2005 but he didn't just come out and stink every week right up until his injury. He had a couple of excellent games, a couple of awful ones and a few mediocre performances. Look at the cast around him at that point, and consider Steve Loney's illustrious career as an NFL OC (one season with the 2005 Vikings) and I think it puts some of those struggles in perspective.
I like Pep a whole lot but a lot of his success had to do more with the team than him being great.
I don't think he ever played for a great team, unless someone considers the 2000 team great. No QB thrives without some good, quality players around him. I thought the Vikings basically pulled the rug out from under Culpepper in 2005. They traded away his best receiver and they lost his OC and (by that point) mentor, Scott Linehan, because McCombs was too cheap to pay him.
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Purple bruise wrote:I must say that during Pep's time with the Vikes he had an outstanding line and great receivers to throw to. His last year of playing for the Vikes(2005), right up until his injury, he sucked. He had thrown 12 ints. to only 6 tds. and was fumbling the ball left and right.
What Jim said. It's not like this isn't easy to prove.
Purple bruise wrote:I like Pep a whole lot but a lot of his success had to do more with the team than him being great.
He did have some outstanding "tools" with his arm strength, size and mobility.
For my money, Cunningham was more athletic and had just as much accuracy and nearly as much arm strength. I wish that the Vikes had gotten him earlier in his career.
The team? Culpepper carried the team, which had an abysmal defense, throughout the 2004 season. One could make the case he did it in the 2003 season as well.

Culpepper's 2004 year was better than any Vikings QB before or after has ever had.
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Re: 21 Year Old Ted Bridgewater

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losperros wrote: What Jim said. It's not like this isn't easy to prove.
Exactly.

However, for some reason, I get the impression Frosted would like this discussion to get back on topic.

LOL! Point made, Frosted. We should get back to Bridgewater...

For now, I'll leave it to you to change the thread title when you believe the discussion is back on track. :)
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Re: 21 Year Old Ted Bridgewater

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Ahem...so how about that Bridgewater kid? :oops:

Seriously, it's pretty cool that Big Norv has so much confidence in Bridgewater. There are some interesting insights from Turner about Teddy in this article...

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_270 ... orv-turner
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Lol, sorry guys. I'd love to chat about Daunte some more, I was just making a poor attempt at humor :dude:
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frosted wrote:Lol, sorry guys. I'd love to chat about Daunte some more, I was just making a poor attempt at humor :dude:
It wasn't so poor. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the changed title. The current one is funny too.
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Mothman wrote:The current one is funny too.
Especially if you read it in an English butler voice haha.


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when moss was mostly injured? that is the most inaccurate statement you could possibly make. moss might have missed 4 games at most that year with a hamstring. he went down against the saints; and to my recollection only missed 3 games. how can you say moss was hurt the majority of that year? culpepper had chances in miami and oakland and couldn't hack it after that. he had no 84 and that's the truth.
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frosted wrote: Especially if you read it in an English butler voice haha.


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frosted wrote: Especially if you read it in an English butler voice haha.
And to be more accurate: Theodore Edmond Bridgewater II
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Mothman wrote: He definitely started off terribly, with 8 INTs and 2 lost fumbles in the first 2 games. The whole offense was a mess at the beginning of the year under first year OC Steve Loney.

However, after those first two games, he played better. He had an excellent performance in a win over the Saints (21-29, 300 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs) and he had another superb performance a few weeks later against Green Bay (23-31, 280 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs).

They basically asked him to carry the offense early that season and it worked out poorly. He had several turnovers on good passes that were botched by his receivers and I recall at least one that was just a heave and a prayer near the end of a half, trying to make something happen. It was essentially a punt.

There's no doubt he had his struggles in 2005 but he didn't just come out and stink every week right up until his injury. He had a couple of excellent games, a couple of awful ones and a few mediocre performances. Look at the cast around him at that point, and consider Steve Loney's illustrious career as an NFL OC (one season with the 2005 Vikings) and I think it puts some of those struggles in perspective.
I don't think he ever played for a great team, unless someone considers the 2000 team great. No QB thrives without some good, quality players around him. I thought the Vikings basically pulled the rug out from under Culpepper in 2005. They traded away his best receiver and they lost his OC and (by that point) mentor, Scott Linehan, because McCombs was too cheap to pay him.
Yes, I do not believe I said that the team was great.
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I posted this before but after watching Oregon and Arizona tonight just cemented my feelings about how great it would be if the Vikes could get Mariota. Let him and Teddy fight it ought next year and see who will come out on top. This kid is a flat out "baller"!!!
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