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MrPurplenGold wrote:Although the Vikings don't currently have a starting MLB on their roster, I still can't believe it's their #1 need. There isn't a Derek Brooks or Brian Urlacher (at least it seems) in this year's draft.
I'm not sure it really matters if MLB is their #1 need. At the very least, it's a high priority need and considering the number of teams that may be interested in drafting an MLB, it's a need probably best addressed in R1, especially since several of the better MLBs in this draft are considered mid-first-to-early-second round values...

... and in response to your comment below, an MLB can be a key playmaker on defense. :)
I think play makers on offense and defense are more of a priority than MLB is. The Vikings play against 3 above average QB's in Cutler, Rogers and Stafford. Neither team currently has a tight end that I'm too worried about. Cook is in a contract year, Robinson is coming off a season where he had his ups and downs and everything behind that is awful. On the Offensive side we picked up Greg Jennings, but he hasn't exactly been setting the league on fire the last two years and after that there's Jarius Wright, who seems to have a promising future, the retread Simpson and a bunch of nobodies. In order to keep up in this Division I think they definitely need to go CB and WR in round, maybe DT in round 2 and MLB in round 3.
I think gauging how they should draft purely by position overlooks the talent pool at each position. WR is deeper than MLB and good WRs will still be available in R2. The Vikes also have enough ammo to move up in that round if necessary. Bottom line: I think they should draft based on how the talent on the board when their picks come up matches their needs. If an MLB is their best bet at #23 or #25, take him. If a WR or corner seem like better values there and some of the better MLBs are sliding, perhaps wait on that position until R2 and trade up if necessary. If a DT fits into that mix better than one of the positions, take him.
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Now that the best cover 2 corner is gone, we have to go corner in the 1st. Only Demi wants to see AJ or Sherels playing CB. Then we pick up Hunter in the second for our WR. Nothing wrong with a big, tall, fast WR.
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we don't have to do anything :wink:


For those saying this is a deep draft at WR, it is equally deep at CB as well. Same with DLine. The only position of need it's not overly deep at is LB
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saint33 wrote:we don't have to do anything :wink:


For those saying this is a deep draft at WR, it is equally deep at CB as well. Same with DLine. The only position of need it's not overly deep at is LB
Even LBs it kind of is. I think of Minter, Brown and Olgetree as the same. Well other then character issues. I like Teo, but I think he will be gone, and I think we go CB first now. But its deep in all the main posistions we need, which is nice.
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So CB wasn't an issue when we cut Winfield and he was flirting with a few other teams. Not even on our roster. Or any real sign he was going to come back. But now we *have* to spend a 1st round pick on a corner? :shock:

You don't build a team HAVING to pick any position. You ruin teams doing that. What we HAVE to do is take everything into account and take the best player. If that's a defensive tackle, or a guard, so be it. There's going to be receivers and corners available in every draft from here until the end of time. We don't HAVE to take one because right now this year we lost one. That's when teams make stupid decisions and force players they might not otherwise, and in many cases end up paying for it.

Next year we're going to HAVE to take a defensive tackle if we don't re-sign Williams. And like HAVE to take a defensive end. Year after that we'll HAVE to take this, or that....no, what we HAVE to do is build a team. For the immediate future. Not for the 2013 season and damn the torpedos.
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MrPurplenGold wrote:
Although the Vikings don't currently have a starting MLB on their roster, I still can't believe it's their #1 need. There isn't a Derek Brooks or Brian Urlacher (at least it seems) in this year's draft. I think play makers on offense and defense are more of a priority than MLB is. The Vikings play against 3 above average QB's in Cutler, Rogers and Stafford. Neither team currently has a tight end that I'm too worried about. Cook is in a contract year, Robinson is coming off a season where he had his ups and downs and everything behind that is awful. On the Offensive side we picked up Greg Jennings, but he hasn't exactly been setting the league on fire the last two years and after that there's Jarius Wright, who seems to have a promising future, the retread Simpson and a bunch of nobodies. In order to keep up in this Division I think they definitely need to go CB and WR in round, maybe DT in round 2 and MLB in round 3.
Cutler is not an above average QB. Other than that I mostly agree. With Winfield gone, and Sherrils being a KR and ...nothing else. I really think the order should be ..

CB (maybe even X 2 here since Cook is glass)
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DT
WR
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Depending on how many picks you have, most teams pick some players more for need and some more for value. That's pretty much how every team picks every year. However, the only teams that ever even come close to picking solely for value are the ones that have the last 1-2 picks in each round. Even then, they take the best value at a position of need. Basically the whole argument between drafting for value or need is nonsense.

Drafting is a little more complicated than just "drafting for need" or "drafting for value", obviously. Or else there would be a lot of roster logjams on those teams at various positions. You kind of don't want to have to cut most of your picks during training camp every year due to having too much depth at a position, that's just a big waste of a draft.
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Didn't see this posted here: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/91657 ... e-seahawks
A source with knowledge of the negotiations told Anderson via text the one-year deal is worth $3 million.

"It was a very tough decision for me because of the relationships that I have in Minnesota," Winfield told Anderson. "I've been there nine years. I've had some really great coaches, teammates and fans there. I'm very grateful to the Vikings organization for my experience.
Classy dude, as always.
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Texas Vike wrote:Didn't see this posted here: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/91657 ... e-seahawks
Classy dude, as always.
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Sucks that Winfield won't be back. He will really help that locker room in Seattle. I have no ill will toward them they are a very exciting team.

I've got to echo Demi's sentiments a bit and agree that the 2013 season is just the next step in the process not THE YEAR in any sense. Sure some guys are getting older and there seems to be some sense of urgency in fans regarding AD...Ponder..Allen and Williams as far as a window being open or closed. But with this many picks and what appears to be a solid group of coaches, I'm looking for them to patiently plug in guys who fit the scheme..ala Harrison Smith, Kalil and Jarius Wright, while we see if Ponder steps up and displays the accuracy and consistency needed.

For what it's worth, I think Spielman screwed the pooch a bit with his handling of the Winfield situation. I know we don't have every fact.....but I would hesitate to doubt Winfield's word or character at this point. Part of me wonders whether or not Spielman is sort of setting a Belicheckian type tone knowing that he has other similar issues coming next season with high profile aging defenders. I just wonder what the tone actually is now in those players opinions.

IMO, this is the biggest draft in quite some time for the Vikings....this many picks with such a depth of quality prospects could really mold this team for years to come.... one way or the other.
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The Breeze wrote:Sucks that Winfield won't be back. He will really help that locker room in Seattle. I have no ill will toward them they are a very exciting team.
They've signed or traded for our top two WRs and best corner.

F**k 'em. :twisted:
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dead_poet wrote: They've signed or traded for our top two WRs and best corner.

F**k 'em. :twisted:
They also seem to have alot of former Packers on their team as well, albeit, less noteworthy players.

Screw the Seahawks, bring em on! 10-6 team without their free win, oh im just shaking. :roll:
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dead_poet wrote: They've signed or traded for our top two WRs and best corner.

F**k 'em. :twisted:
True....but for one reason or another all 3 of those guys chose not to be here. I think Rice was the only one where money was the big issue too. I hope our Childress condition is completely healed by the end of the draft.
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The Breeze wrote:True....but
No "buts"! F**k 'em!!
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dead_poet wrote: No "buts"! F**k 'em!!
:rofl:

Why do we always forget that they also have Heath Farwell? They have a lot of our guys.
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