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Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:23 pm
by Mothman
maembe wrote:
So for costing the team a season, publicly embarrassing the franchise, and beating a child with a stick, we should give our overpaid, 30 year old running back who hasn't played since 2013 a raise? No thanks.
That seems to be the common, angry, (mis)interpretation of the situation but no, I don't think a raise is the point here. Guaranteed money is not the same as a raise. Currently, none of the $47+ million remaining on Peterson's deal is guaranteed. If the Vikings want to keep him for the next 3 years, they could conceivably
save money by renegotiating and guaranteeing a portion of Peterson's salary.
BTW, he played in game one last year so he's played since 2013, even if it was only once.
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:48 pm
by VikingLord
Mothman wrote:That seems to be the common, angry, (mis)interpretation of the situation but no, I don't think a raise is the point here. Guaranteed money is not the same as a raise. Currently, none of the $47+ million remaining on peterson's deal is guaranteed. If the Vikinsg want to keep him for the next 3 years, they could conceivably save money by renegotiating and guaranteeing a portion of Peterson's salary.
BTW, he played in game one last year so he's played since 2013, even if it was only once.
That's my take on it too. I think AD just wants to know he's wanted in Minnesota, and what better way to demonstrate it than by guaranteeing his future. Some may not agree with it in principle, and further, it might not be the smartest thing to do from a football perspective, but it would be a way to clearly demonstrate that yes, the Vikings really value and want AD on the team.
If it's done intelligently, it could work out for both AD and the Vikings by, as you mention, saving them money in the latter part of the deal. But it does assume a lot and to some extent flies in the face of a lot of data that suggests AD's best years are likely behind him or will be very soon. Spielman needs to walk a very fine line on this one. AD might be the exception that comes out and tears things up over the next 3 years, and having him on the team taking pressure off Bridgewater would only speed Teddy's development. On the other hand, giving AD guaranteed money might make them overlook a RB draft class stocked full of talent this year and that might take them well beyond the next 3 years at the position.
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:49 pm
by The Breeze
The meeting with the Wilfs is the one thing I've been looking for as a clear indicator of the Vikings intent. Zygi's public silence in all of this has been interesting...I don't know what he was to say one way or the other if anything.
But from the look of it they want him back.....but according to Zimmer not if he doesn't come willingly.
If they are going to trade him I think it will happen down the road some if they reach an impasse and AD says no thanks.
Maybe a deal right before the draft if it doesn't resolve.
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Can a team like Arizona pitch an offer to AD while he is under contract with Minny...or is that tampering?
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:55 pm
by Pseudo Everything
The Breeze wrote:Can a team like Arizona pitch an offer to AD while he is under contract with Minny...or is that tampering?
Any team is free to make an offer to the Vikings about Peterson. What they cannot do is have any contact at all with Peterson or his agent. The Vikings could also give Peterson's agent permission to shop deals if they wanted to go that route but considering the bad blood between Dogra and B-ski, I doubt they would do that at this point in the process.
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:07 pm
by jackal
Any team is free to make an offer to the Vikings about Peterson. What they cannot do is have any contact at all with Peterson or his agent. The Vikings could also give Peterson's agent permission to shop deals if they wanted to go that route but considering the bad blood between Dogra and B-ski, I doubt they would do that at this point in the process.
True if a player or coach is under contract the team has to give the interested team permission to speak to them or their agents ...
Tampering usually results in lose of draft picks and fines
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:09 pm
by The Breeze
Pseudo Everything wrote:
Any team is free to make an offer to the Vikings about Peterson. What they cannot do is have any contact at all with Peterson or his agent. The Vikings could also give Peterson's agent permission to shop deals if they wanted to go that route but considering the bad blood between Dogra and B-ski, I doubt they would do that at this point in the process.
ok....
I think this has a ways to go before it's resolved, unless AD and Zygster resolve to stay together now.
If AD proves determined to bolt I think the Vikings should slowly shift their public stance on being so willing to accomodate him and suggest that they will not trade him unless it's a legit offer.
The Cowboys have not signd or really even talked to Murray and the Bucs could come into play.
Do their best to ignite a bidding war if that's what it comes to.
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:16 pm
by Pseudo Everything
If the Vikings really want Peterson back in the fold, they need to be focused more on Ashley than Adrian.
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:31 pm
by Mothman
Pseudo Everything wrote:If the Vikings really want Peterson back in the fold, they need to be focused more on Ashley than Adrian.
You may be right about that.
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:32 pm
by Mothman
VikingLord wrote:That's my take on it too. I think AD just wants to know he's wanted in Minnesota, and what better way to demonstrate it than by guaranteeing his future. Some may not agree with it in principle, and further, it might not be the smartest thing to do from a football perspective, but it would be a way to clearly demonstrate that yes, the Vikings really value and want AD on the team.
If it's done intelligently, it could work out for both AD and the Vikings by, as you mention, saving them money in the latter part of the deal. But it does assume a lot and to some extent flies in the face of a lot of data that suggests AD's best years are likely behind him or will be very soon. Spielman needs to walk a very fine line on this one. AD might be the exception that comes out and tears things up over the next 3 years, and having him on the team taking pressure off Bridgewater would only speed Teddy's development. On the other hand, giving AD guaranteed money might make them overlook a RB draft class stocked full of talent this year and that might take them well beyond the next 3 years at the position.
Well said! Spielman definitely needs to walk a fine line on this one. In theory, it should be possible to work out a deal that could work for everyone but in practice, that may be more difficult.
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:47 pm
by The Breeze
Mothman wrote:
You may be right about that.
It's surely something to consider.
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The point about the fine line Spielman is on is right on.
Lots of god points in that post.
It's getting more fun to watch this thing work itself out. How anyone could have predicted this for Peterson and the Vikings is beyond me. It's all been quite surreal.
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:19 pm
by dead_poet
@SeifertESPN Not a popular answer, but truly don’t know RT @SiccemWitDaN9ne: and Kevin do you think a AP trade is looming? Your OPINION
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:34 pm
by Pseudo Everything
PFT is saying that since Adrian flew commercial from Houston to NY yesterday that means that he was there to convince the Wilfs to trade him. If it was the Wilfs trying to woo him back into the fold in MN they would have sent their private plane to Houston to pick him up.
Reading tea leaves.
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:38 pm
by The Breeze
Pseudo Everything wrote:PFT is saying that since Adrian flew commercial from Houston to NY yesterday that means that he was there to convince the Wilfs to trade him. If it was the Wilfs trying to woo him back into the fold in MN they would have sent their private plane to Houston to pick him up.
Reading tea leaves.
lol
Did he have to rent a car or take a cab?
it's an interesting point......makes some sense
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:39 pm
by dead_poet
Pseudo Everything wrote:PFT is saying that since Adrian flew commercial from Houston to NY yesterday that means that he was there to convince the Wilfs to trade him. If it was the Wilfs trying to woo him back into the fold in MN they would have sent their private plane to Houston to pick him up.
Reading tea leaves.
Meh. That's pretty speculative. Methinks the longer the FA period goes the less likely it'll be that AD is traded.
Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:41 pm
by HardcoreVikesFan
Pseudo Everything wrote:PFT is saying that since Adrian flew commercial from Houston to NY yesterday that means that he was there to convince the Wilfs to trade him. If it was the Wilfs trying to woo him back into the fold in MN they would have sent their private plane to Houston to pick him up.
Reading tea leaves.
Or... Peterson could have informed Zygi he was coming and flown to New York himself to have a one-on-one meeting.
Media is just as thirsty as a five dollar hooker for a Peterson trade to happen.