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Great move. You simply don't understand how important it is to have a quality LT. He's been rated an average starting LT by PFF the last several years. We were able to keep him at a discount. Hail Rick.
There's also the leadership aspect of it. He's a team captain and a respected figure in the locker room. Obviously that means little if you're not a good player, but as others have said, he's league average at LT.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:56 pmGreat move. You simply don't understand how important it is to have a quality LT. He's been rated an average starting LT by PFF the last several years. We were able to keep him at a discount. Hail Rick.
If they bought back awful Treadwell then they will bring back ReiffJ. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:47 pmThere's also the leadership aspect of it. He's a team captain and a respected figure in the locker room. Obviously that means little if you're not a good player, but as others have said, he's league average at LT.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:56 pm
Great move. You simply don't understand how important it is to have a quality LT. He's been rated an average starting LT by PFF the last several years. We were able to keep him at a discount. Hail Rick.
I'm not surprised he re-signed for less. According to the Strib, it's believed he got some guaranteed money for this season, where before he had none. I'll be surprised if he returns next year, though.
I hate the idea of moving O'Neil. Doing that is an indication we don't think we have anybody qualified to play there. Hopefully Cleveland is ready for LT next year and we can keep O'Neil at RT where he has been somewhat successful.Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:27 pm I think everyone agrees Reiff is average most days and flat out bad on a few. It is a good move this late in the game to keep him however if he is willing to stay for less. Next year I think you move on and save cap while moving O' Neil and preferable starting Cleveland.
I was just thinking O' Neil has been not only the best pass protector on the team but one of the best in the NFL and don't you want your best pass protector at LT? I see the argument for not messing with a good thing though. Also have to wonder if he would stay here at RT money or test free agency and demand LT pay which someone would give him. If they do switch him though I think it should be made known to him at the start of the off-season so his entire preparation leading up to next year can be for that role.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:59 pmI hate the idea of moving O'Neil. Doing that is an indication we don't think we have anybody qualified to play there. Hopefully Cleveland is ready for LT next year and we can keep O'Neil at RT where he has been somewhat successful.Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:27 pm I think everyone agrees Reiff is average most days and flat out bad on a few. It is a good move this late in the game to keep him however if he is willing to stay for less. Next year I think you move on and save cap while moving O' Neil and preferable starting Cleveland.
O'Neil is a good player, but not as good as his sacks allowed numbers would lead you to believe. A lot of times he would have given up the sack, but somebody else's man Elf, Bradbury, Kline got there first. Also his run blocking is OK.Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:30 pmI was just thinking O' Neil has been not only the best pass protector on the team but one of the best in the NFL and don't you want your best pass protector at LT? I see the argument for not messing with a good thing though. Also have to wonder if he would stay here at RT money or test free agency and demand LT pay which someone would give him. If they do switch him though I think it should be made known to him at the start of the off-season so his entire preparation leading up to next year can be for that role.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:59 pm
I hate the idea of moving O'Neil. Doing that is an indication we don't think we have anybody qualified to play there. Hopefully Cleveland is ready for LT next year and we can keep O'Neil at RT where he has been somewhat successful.
I wouldn't have drafted Ponder in the first place, my goofy friend.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:13 pmI guess you wanted to keep Ponder thenRhodes Closed wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:53 pm
Why don't we just cut literally the entire team. No, better yet, let's just move the Franchise so we never have to complain about them again.
PFF gave O'Neill a 68.6 pass-blocking grade. One of the best in the NFL is a bit of a stretch, he's slightly above the average of the pack.Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:30 pmI was just thinking O' Neil has been not only the best pass protector on the team but one of the best in the NFL and don't you want your best pass protector at LT? I see the argument for not messing with a good thing though. Also have to wonder if he would stay here at RT money or test free agency and demand LT pay which someone would give him. If they do switch him though I think it should be made known to him at the start of the off-season so his entire preparation leading up to next year can be for that role.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:59 pm
I hate the idea of moving O'Neil. Doing that is an indication we don't think we have anybody qualified to play there. Hopefully Cleveland is ready for LT next year and we can keep O'Neil at RT where he has been somewhat successful.
Agreed. People only look at sack numbers. He is above average and I am happy to have him but he isn't a dominant OL. He does his job.S197 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:43 pmPFF gave O'Neill a 68.6 pass-blocking grade. One of the best in the NFL is a bit of a stretch, he's slightly above the average of the pack.Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:30 pm
I was just thinking O' Neil has been not only the best pass protector on the team but one of the best in the NFL and don't you want your best pass protector at LT? I see the argument for not messing with a good thing though. Also have to wonder if he would stay here at RT money or test free agency and demand LT pay which someone would give him. If they do switch him though I think it should be made known to him at the start of the off-season so his entire preparation leading up to next year can be for that role.
This has nothing to do with it. Treadwell was brought back when Thielen got hurt. Simply because it was mid season and he already knew the offense inside and out.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:28 pmIf they bought back awful Treadwell then they will bring back ReiffJ. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:47 pm
There's also the leadership aspect of it. He's a team captain and a respected figure in the locker room. Obviously that means little if you're not a good player, but as others have said, he's league average at LT.
I'm not surprised he re-signed for less. According to the Strib, it's believed he got some guaranteed money for this season, where before he had none. I'll be surprised if he returns next year, though.
He only had 100 fewer yards than the Vikings #2 WR for most of that time, so maybe it wasn't such a bad move bringing him back?Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:29 pmThis has nothing to do with it. Treadwell was brought back when Thielen got hurt. Simply because it was mid season and he already knew the offense inside and out.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:28 pm
If they bought back awful Treadwell then they will bring back Reiff
Bringing Treadwell back was a good move at the time.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:51 amHe only had 100 fewer yards than the Vikings #2 WR for most of that time, so maybe it wasn't such a bad move bringing him back?Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:29 pm
This has nothing to do with it. Treadwell was brought back when Thielen got hurt. Simply because it was mid season and he already knew the offense inside and out.