StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:21 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:01 pm
This is Cousins 4th year being a starter and took an average team at best to the playoffs. Philip Rivers is a great QB. Chargers havent been to the playoffs since 2013. Prior to last year, the saints missed the playoffs 3 straight years. Brees is one of the best ever. Dan Marino didnt win a SB but is considered one of the best QBs to ever step on a field. Point is, there is more to just wins and losses to make a good-great QB. Everyone crowns Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the league but he has been to and won ONE SB in 13 years. Hmm?
Well you should care because again, Cousins didnt lose us that game. He was the only reason we were in it. You're being so narrow minded regarding this its not even funny. You refuse to look beyond record.
The main question is, was there a better QB out there. No not even close. No matter the cost. Keenum throwing to Diggs and Thielen was "good". I would say Cousins connection with Thielen and Diggs is great. Thielen currently has 17 catches less than he did in ALL of 2017. He has 300 yards less than he did in ALL of 2017. He already has 2 more TDs than last year. He's going to shatter those numbers. Diggs has 6 less catches than he did in ALL of 2017 and 200 yards less than he had in ALL of 2017. Also going to shatter those numbers.
Point being, Keenum's connection with Diggs and Thielen was good. No arguing that. But just good. The Cousins connection is legitimately GREAT. LIke breaking records great. So again, lets not even put Keenum in the same category as Cousins or even sentence for that matter. It's not even close.
This kills me. You're dogging Cousins and saying he's earned nothing and dont think he deserved $84 million but you think Teddy was the better option?? Like WHAT? How can you possibly say a guy that has yet to play in a legit NFL game since 2015 and has been on 2 teams this year and hasnt started for either a better option that Kirk Cousins?? You're basing that entire statement off of assumption. 0 facts. Just the sense of "well Teddy would be cheap and I "think" he would be good even though he hasnt played in 3 years. That is all I needed to hear to realize it isnt worth having this discussion with you.
Keenum's good per pass attempt throwing to Diggs and Theilen:
7.4 YPA, 4.6 TD % 1.5 Int % 98.3 Passer Rating 74.3 QBR
Cousins' great per pass attempt throwing to the same receivers:
7.4 YPA, 4.7 TD% 1.2 INT % 102.5 Passer Rating 65.2 QBR
What a difference Cousins is making. But hey we only got blown out by 8 by the Rams, and had a chance to tie if Cousins hadn't fumbled, so there is that.
Teddy and a solid backup, in my opinion was the better option. Overpaying for a QB who has never won more than 9 games in a season, sacrificing over a tenth of our cap space to have him match our 2 million dollar backup was not a good plan to me. Sorry, that isn't fair to the 2 million dollar backup who ran an offense that wasn't bottom 11 in the NFL.
Not sure how those can be correct stats when both Thielen and Diggs are about to shatter their numbers from last year.
"Got blown out by the Rams"? First of all, we lost by 7. Second, Cousins arm was hit when he was pulling back to throw, after Rashod Hill got smoked. But yeah what is Kirk thinking? I feel like literally no matter what happens in any game, it's Cousins' fault in your eyes. How about Rashod Hill holds up against a no-name DE when the game is on the line?
Teddy and a solid backup? Again, what is your infatuation with Teddy and how do you know if he can even make a difference since he hasnt played in 3 years? Teddy was an average QB at best. You're basing your judgement off of assumption that Teddy would come back and miraculously be better than he was before (which wasnt really that good). Lets be honest, Teddy didnt win more than 9 games in 2015. Adrian Peterson did. I mean 14 TDs in 17 games. That is terrible. And our passing offense was 31st in the NFL!!
Like dude, before the guy destroyed his knee he was average at best. What makes you think he would do anything when he's been out of the game for so long and not really that good to begin with? You're settling for average. Cousins is well above average. The numbers show. If you're putting up 31 points as a QB, you're doing your job. Cousins did that against the Rams. And they lost. If you're putting up 31 and losing, that is on your defense. Quit trying to point everything at Cousins. You know that that game was not on him. Nor was the Packers tie. But you've dug yourself too deep of a hole at this point.
If you said, hey we should have traded up for Pat Mahomes two years ago or something, then that's one thing. But to say you would take Teddy who is a GIANT question mark and a "solid backup" (those arent just floating all over the league) over Cousins, is downright laughable. So wait, if Teddy didnt do well early on, we just go rely on our "solid backup" to pull of a Case Keenum miracle season? I literally couldnt think of a worse strategy. And the guy we're "relying on" in Teddy wasnt very good to begin with let alone being good after sitting out for 3 years.
Are you going to sit there and tell me Teddy Bridgewater or a "solid backup" would go toe to toe with the Rams?? Or would come back on the Packers on the road when down 20-7 in the 3rd? Would he have beat the Eagles on the road? I can tell you no with confidence to all those questions. So I can tell you, just about no one will agree with taking Teddy and a "solid backup" over Cousins on here. So your argument will go nowhere.
Side note: Lets not forget, Keenum also had THE #1 defense in the NFL last year. We are no longer playing to that level right now.
EIther way, wins/losses dont solely rest on the QB. This is a team game and everyone can cost their team a game in their own way. Defense crapping the bed against the Rams, OL playing awful vs the Bills, ST allowing a blocked punt TD and having 3 missed FGs against GB, Thielen fumbling vs NO in the red zone, etc. Cousins is at fault for some things, but not the LA loss and GB tie. Period. Everyone has played their part.
I dont see anyone saying Adam Thielen played bad against the Saints. But he was why the momentum completely changed, he cost this offense points going into half, and cost us the chance of going up by 2 scores and getting the ball at half. In turn, we go down by 4. Are we going to blame that on Kirk Cousins? No. Point is, everyone can get blame one way or another.
Saying Thielen played bad that game because of his fumble is like saying Kirk Cousins wasnt worth 84 million because we "got blown out by the Rams" (even though we lost by 7). I cant believe we're arguing this right now and that Vikings fans are actually complaining about Kirk Cousins. The best QB we have had in almost 10 years.
