Vikings' defensive discord raises concerning questions

[Purple Reign]

Holy cow. It's apparently still over my head. Honestly don't get it.

Petersen and his 'switch' incident? A few people didn't know what a switch was and called it a stick.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Denvers elite defense looks awful tonight. Must mean Kubiak lost the locker room

[PurpleMustReign]

Denvers elite defense looks awful tonight. Must mean Kubiak lost the locker room

Really?

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[Pondering Her Percy]

Really?

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Yeah really. The defending super bowl champions and their elite defense are about to get knocked out of playoff contention. I mean we have a few bad games and guys are calling for Zims head, saying he's losing the locker room, saying players don't respect him, saying he doesn't respect the players, etc, etc. So why can't we say that about the Denver Broncos right? Because that's how some of you really sound.

Let's see, AND they were a team that didn't lose their QB, RB, LT and RT all in one season either. AND they were the defending SB champs. AND they have what some call an elite defense. Is it the players not performing or is it Gary Kubiak guys? Or maybe John Elway?

I mean just about everyone on here has done nothing but point the finger at Spielman and Zimmer. Must be the same issue in Denver.

They were a lot better team than us last year and miss the playoffs this year
We were a playoff team last year that lost the 4 most important positions on offense and miss the playoffs this year. Yet our coach is losing the locker room and has no respect for his players. Man if that's what you guys think of Zim I really wonder what you must think about Kubiak. Wins the SB last year and flops this year. Way worse than what we did and we had way more devastating injuries than they did. Surprised fans in Denver aren't calling for the guys head. Good thing he's not our coach

[Purple Reign]

Denvers elite defense looks awful tonight. Must mean Kubiak lost the locker room

Obviously having a bad game or two isn't a sign of losing a locker room - having your defense decide on their own to go against the game plan is.

Personally I don't think there are any 'elite' defenses in the league this year. Several good ones, but nothing that qualifies as elite like the 85 Bears.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Personally I don't think there are any 'elite' defenses in the league this year. Several good ones, but nothing that qualifies as elite like the 85 Bears.

Definitely no 85 bears. But the last few years Denver has been considered elite many times

[Purple Reign]

Definitely no 85 bears. But the last few years Denver has been considered elite many times

Last few years - yes, but not this year.

[TriceStyle]

Rhodes is going to the PB because of Zimmer and his scheming, on top of his own ability. Sounds like Rhodes and others thought they could just handle it and obviously they couldn't.

I totally expect Newman to be gone next year, maybe even Captain after that. We have Tre and Alexander if needed. Sorry I simply do not agree with players thinking they know it all. I don't mind Zimmer saying what everyone else SAW during a game when asked a question. He has never said X player really sucked it up today, but he knows what they are capable of. Don't like it? PLAY BETTER! Simple as that!

[Pondering Her Percy]

Rhodes is going to the PB because of Zimmer and his scheming, on top of his own ability. Sounds like Rhodes and others thought they could just handle it and obviously they couldn't.

I totally expect Newman to be gone next year, maybe even Captain after that. We have Tre and Alexander if needed. Sorry I simply do not agree with players thinking they know it all. I don't mind Zimmer saying what everyone else SAW during a game when asked a question. He has never said X player really sucked it up today, but he knows what they are capable of. Don't like it? PLAY BETTER! Simple as that!

Bingo!! My father use to tell me that if he went home and complained to his father that the coach yelled at him or called him out in front of the team, his father would reply, "well obviously you did something wrong". He didn't point the finger at the coach or anyone else. If you F up you should know it. Whether it's behind closed doors or in front of the press.It forced you to play better so the coach never had to do that again. If guys get butt hurt because Zim "called them out" and play worse or with no effort then they aren't mentally tough enough to play this game and should be let go. If anything it should motivate you to do better, no turn into a little b****. That's why I think it's quite pathetic that fans are sitting there criticizing him of that. That just shows how soft society is today. And trust me, I know. I coach 2 high school sports and see it every day. It disgusts me

[Purple Reign]

Let's see, AND they were a team that didn't lose their QB, RB, LT and RT all in one season either. AND they were the defending SB champs.

Yes, Denver lost their starting QB from last year (Oswieler) although not to injury and their starting RB (Anderson). Not sure about their starting OL, but they also lost a key player on defense (Ware) for several weeks. So losing some key players obviously makes a difference.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Yes, Denver lost their starting QB from last year (Oswieler) although not to injury and their starting RB (Anderson). Not sure about their starting OL, but they also lost a key player on defense (Ware) for several weeks. So losing some key players obviously makes a difference.

I mean I love Peyton but his play last year can't be much different than Simiens this year. Anderson isn't a HOf back. They got WAY better at LT getting Okung and was about even at RT. Injuries do take a toll but they still didn't lose what we did.

The thing is though, guys don't want to point at the injuries. It's too easy to do. We gotta point at Zim and Spielman because after all these injuries hit, I'm starting to feel like some expected it to still be all sunshine and rainbows. And that's about as unrealistic as it gets. Nobody respects the coach, the coach doesn't respect the team, fire him, fire Spielman, yada yada yada

[Purple Reign]

Bingo!! My father use to tell me that if he went home and complained to his father that the coach yelled at him or called him out in front of the team, his father would reply, "well obviously you did something wrong". He didn't point the finger at the coach or anyone else. If you F up you should know it. Whether it's behind closed doors or in front of the press.It forced you to play better so the coach never had to do that again. If guys get butt hurt because Zim "called them out" and play worse or with no effort then they aren't mentally tough enough to play this game and should be let go. If anything it should motivate you to do better, no turn into a little b****. That's why I think it's quite pathetic that fans are sitting there criticizing him of that. That just shows how soft society is today. And trust me, I know. I coach 2 high school sports and see it every day

I bet you handle any issues like that internally, and don't go on Twitter or the local high school paper and call out players publicly, do you? Like I said, being called out within the team is one thing, but to get humiliated publicly is a different issue and I'm sure players typically don't respond well to it, whether you think it is motivational or not. Maybe some players can handle it well, but I would bet most don't.

[Boon]

halfgiz you raise interesting points. the odd part for me is that as i was watching that eagles game i said to myself "this team is done." i could feel it. i'm not sure why or why not turner left, but he did a horrible job as the vikings offensive coordinator. it probably happened similar to zimmer basically saying that our offense sucks we need to score more points and turner took it the wrong way. either way, how has the offense changed under shurmer? it hasn't. it is the same horrid offense that actually dates back two years ago. until this team can field an actual nfl caliber offense forget about the defense. its irrelevant.

shurmur is stuck with this scheme until the offseason. you can't change a scheme in week 8 or 9, or whenever it was he took over. same scheme, same dumb routes and plays. stuck

[Pondering Her Percy]

I bet you handle any issues like that internally, and don't go on Twitter or the local high school paper and call out players publicly, do you? Like I said, being called out within the team is one thing, but to get humiliated publicly is a different issue and I'm sure players typically don't respond well to it, whether you think it is motivational or not. Maybe some players can handle it well, but I would bet most don't.

Dude you're saying "humiliated" like Mike Zimmer said Anthony Barr craps his pants twice a day and doesn't know how to tie his shoes in front of the media. He said he needed to improve in "all areas". He didn't call him out for anything specific. Just was blunt and said he needs to get better. Plain and simple. How in gods name is that being "humiliated". If that's considered being "humiliated" then you are part of what's wrong with this soft society of ours

Mike Zimmer would say that about any player he coached because he wants the best out of his guys yet now it's considered being "humiliated". What a joke

[Purple Reign]

I mean I love Peyton but his play last year can't be much different than Simiens this year. Anderson isn't a HOf back. They got WAY better at LT getting Okung and was about even at RT. Injuries do take a toll but they still didn't lose what we did.

The thing is though, guys don't want to point at the injuries. It's too easy to do. We gotta point at Zim and Spielman because after all these injuries hit, I'm starting to feel like some expected it to still be all sunshine and rainbows. And that's about as unrealistic as it gets. Nobody respects the coach, the coach doesn't respect the team, fire him, fire Spielman, yada yada yada

So you don't think Bradford is as good, if not better, than Bridgewater? Your statement also just said that they didn't lose a RB, not a HOF RB. No, Anderson isn't a HOF back, but he was their starting back and it seems to have had a huge impact on their running game after he went down.

Anyway, I'm sure people's expectations were high after starting the season 5-0 despite the injuries. Maybe if they hadn't started out so good people wouldn't be complaining so much about the coaching staff now?