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Not this #### again.


You don't trade away a premier player because you *might* get better at another position. I don't give a rat's behind if HB doesn't mean what it used to mean. It is god damn Adrian Peterson - you don't trade Adrian Peterson.


As far as firing Frazier? Might as well can him. However, firing Frazier now isn't going to mean jack. There are still 13 more games. You may as well just wait until the end of the season.

rugbyrugger23 wrote: I know seems like too good of a deal for team receiving AP in trade. Chris Johnson is 12mil, McFadden 9.6, Lynch is 8.5, Foster is 8.2. More one looks at numbers, trading for AP is a deal due to Vikes paying up soooo much guaranteed money.

Here. Educate yourself:

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/running-back/

Even better, 2014:

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/2014/running-back/

BGM wrote:I better take a break from the board, because if I read one more "Trade AD" post, I'm going to punch a cat.

Ohhhh keep reading, I don't like cats xD.

Purplemania wrote:Trade Ponder for the Browns place holder too. Did ya see that pass to Cameron on the fake FG? 100x better than Plunder.

Yeah Lanning finished the game with more passing TD's too haha.

PurpleMilk wrote:Last year was a complete fluke and took an almost record setting season by AD to even sniff the playoffs. I don't know why people don't realize that lol.

Man I've been saying that since last year and I get called a troll haha. But I'm against trading AD.

headless_norseman wrote:This coaching staff is gone and we all know it. We just have to sit through the rest of the #&*(@#ing season now. God, has it ever been any lower

And that about sums it up. Depressions has never been so high after 3 games.

Best thing for the Vikes right now long-term is not trading AD or firing Frazier.

The best thing for the Vikes is for them to keep starting Ponder. If Ponder can't take them to the promised land as their starting QB, perhaps he can be inconsistent enough to take them to a high enough draft pick where they can land the QB who will be good enough to do that. It will be painful medicine for us fans, but it might be the only way to resolve this problem at QB for the long term.

This team is going to be bad for a couple of years as long as Ponder is the QB; the guy is capable of making plays with his feet but he is incapable of being a consistent passer

I Like the Fire Frazier part anyway

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I know seems like too good of a deal for team receiving AP in trade. Chris Johnson is 12mil, McFadden 9.6, Lynch is 8.5, Foster is 8.2. More one looks at numbers, trading for AP is a deal due to Vikes paying up soooo much guaranteed money.[/quote]
Here. Educate yourself:

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/running-back/

Even better, 2014:

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/2014/running-back/[/quote]

ohhhhh how dumb you must feel. Trying to educate when you are the one who needs an education. Your links are for base salary. Not cap hit. Team receiving AP would only be on the hook for salary. So if you compare AP base salary to other RB's total cap hit (because they are not being traded their respective team is on the hook for base salary AND all bonus money) AP is a deal for team receiving him in trade.

Even more so cause Vikes would pony up for most of the guaranteed money (on his front loaded guaranteed money 7 year contract signed)...hence team receiving AP could 'use' AP for say 2 years then let him go with ZERO cap hit (cause Vikes paid guarantee money) and contracts in NFL are not guaranteed. *Although the more likely scenario would be team receiving AP would rework his deal in 1-3 years as his age rises and production falls.

Please educate yourself...

rugbyrugger23 wrote:Writing is on the wall...time for Vikes to start over.

AD to Denver for Montee Ball, '14 1st and '16 1st plus a bunch on 2nd and 3rd rounders over next 2-3 years.

Bring in a coach after the season who will send Ponder to the streets and coach young core of Kalil, Rudolph, Floyd, Rhodes, Smith, Patterson, and numerous draft picks.

Trade AD? Seriously?

I mean, if we could get a Herschel Walker type package, then sure. But I doubt that is forthcoming.

AD showed last year what he can do. He just needs to be part of a team with a passing game.

DanAS wrote: Trade AD? Seriously?

I mean, if we could get a Herschel Walker type package, then sure. But I doubt that is forthcoming.

AD showed last year what he can do. He just needs to be part of a team with a passing game.

Herschel Walker deal might be a little far fetched...unless Vikes can trade with themselves

But precedent has been set, a mediocre RB (TR) fetches a 1st from a playoff bound team. So a team like the Broncos, who are all-in with a 37yo QB, trading for best RB in NFL in AP, should expect to trade 2 1sts, and some additional picks. Vikes may need to return some lower round picks in 5-7th rounds, but I am sure such a deal is feasible for AP.

rugbyrugger23 wrote:Your links are for base salary. Not cap hit. Team receiving AP would only be on the hook for salary.

No kidding? Wow. Insightful.

He's the highest paid (many would say overpaid) running back in the league, by a significant margin. Few teams (besides the Vikings) would pay an $11-12M salary for a freaking running back.

rugbyrugger23 wrote:
But precedent has been set, a mediocre RB (TR) fetches a 1st from a playoff bound team. So a team like the Broncos, who are all-in with a 37yo QB, trading for best RB in NFL in AP, should expect to trade 2 1sts, and some additional picks. Vikes may need to return some lower round picks in 5-7th rounds, but I am sure such a deal is feasible for AP.

AD in the hand is worth 2 unknown 1st round draft picks in the bush.

rugbyrugger23 wrote: You don't want to see AD play with a real QB and have productive final years with a real chance at a ring?

"They see me trollin', they hatin'." Dude, just stop.

Wow, all this Trade AP talk is making me sick to my stomach. There is no way you get somebody of his caliber again. AP is the only chance right now to win a Superbowl and you say pull the plug on Adrian Peterson? We can get something better? Sure you might get something similar to him Maybe in the next 20 years. You lose him there is no team for 10+ years. I am Baffled.

The team we have right now can win games it is terrible play calling, for instance why would we call a timeout right after the Browns just had one, for what. We have a really good team with AP, without him we have a ok team.

We need better play calling, and much better plays. Get a grip.

TRADE ADRIAN PETERSON. my goodness what a stupid suggestion.

I agree, we won't get fair value for Peterson with his salary being what it is. i also don't think many teams would be able to take the cap hit.

DanAS wrote:Trade AD? Seriously?

I mean, if we could get a Herschel Walker type package, then sure. But I doubt that is forthcoming.

AD showed last year what he can do. He just needs to be part of a team with a passing game.

I know the past Vikings really botched it up for the current Vikings. Had we not fell for the Herschel Walker deal back then we could probably pull our own Walker deal now and some stupid team would forever become the team that got AD'd.