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NextQuestion wrote: If there's one person who I loathe it has to be Birk.

Why do you find Birk loathe-worthy?

Jim

Mothman wrote:
Why do you find Birk loathe-worthy?

Jim

Maybe cause Birk reamed his lame butt after he quit during the Washington game "It's rare that a team in the playoff chase must deal with such off-field distractions. Except for the time in 2004 when Moss walked off Washington's FedEx Field prior to the end of a one-score game. Center Matt Birk went after him in the locker room afterwards. Later that day, the Vikings earned a wild-card bid"

Mothman wrote:
Why do you find Birk loathe-worthy?

Jim

He seems like a good guy on the field and appears to be a smart guy during his KFAN interviews but I just morally disagree with this guy on just about everything. Won't go further because this forum forbids political rants.

NextQuestion wrote:He seems like a good guy on the field and appears to be a smart guy during his KFAN interviews but I just morally disagree with this guy on just about everything. Won't go further because this forum forbids political rants.

Ah, I understand now. Thanks for answering my question.

Purplemania wrote: I know this sounds weird. Jerry Rice is the best WR ever, but Moss is the most dangerous WR ever, if that made any sense.

I think that makes perfect sense. As an admitted Moss "fan" I am disappointed that he never put forth the effort Rice did in the game. That is why Jerry was (is) the greatest of all time. Had Moss possessed Rice's work ethic, Moss would have that title. Cris Carter once said, "Randy can be as good as Randy wants to be" (or words to that effect). It's somewhat disappointing Moss is not the greatest of all time, since he had the natural talent to accomplish that. I'm glad Birk got a ring though.

I'm surprised the video I posted hasn't gotten more comments. People like Sapp and Sanders saying facing Randy was far more of a nightmare than Rice. Sanders says something like "we'd practice for an extra 30 minutes because of Moss".

NextQuestion wrote:I'm surprised the video I posted hasn't gotten more comments. People like Sapp and Sanders saying facing Randy was far more of a nightmare than Rice. Sanders says something like "we'd practice for an extra 30 minutes because of Moss".

I didn't comment because I happened to catch that conversation in real time when it was on NFL Network.

NextQuestion wrote:I'm surprised the video I posted hasn't gotten more comments. People like Sapp and Sanders saying facing Randy was far more of a nightmare than Rice. Sanders says something like "we'd practice for an extra 30 minutes because of Moss".

Great video. Michael Irvin needs to listen better because he might have learned something from two of the best defenders ever in the NFL in Sanders and Sapp. Those two make it clear that Moss in his prime was nearly unstoppable. Sanders talking about having to practice longer just because of Moss sums it all up.

losperros wrote: Great video. Michael Irvin needs to listen better because he might have learned something from two of the best defenders ever in the NFL in Sanders and Sapp. Those two make it clear that Moss in his prime was nearly unstoppable. Sanders talking about having to practice longer just because of Moss sums it all up.

Yeah, I liked sapps comparison, rice being the sword zorro uses, can slice you up in a second all tactical, and moss was excalibur, one swing and it's over haha. Personally it's no contest that Moss was the most dangerous and gifted WR of all time for me. Clearly he didn't have the best career or stats of playing at a high level for a long time, and rice was a better route runner, but like sapp and deion said you'd play a safety 30 yards deep and he'd get behind you, there wasn't much of an answer for randy moss.

mondry wrote: Yeah, I liked sapps comparison, rice being the sword zorro uses, can slice you up in a second all tactical, and moss was excalibur, one swing and it's over haha. Personally it's no contest that Moss was the most dangerous and gifted WR of all time for me. Clearly he didn't have the best career or stats of playing at a high level for a long time, and rice was a better route runner, but like sapp and deion said you'd play a safety 30 yards deep and he'd get behind you, there wasn't much of an answer for randy moss.

I think it's easy to forget that there wasn't much of an answer for Jerry Rice either, which is why he was able to compile the incredible, record-setting numbers he did. Rice was a serious deep threat earlier in his career and, like Moss, he was the kind of factor defenses had to put in a lot of work to prepare for each week. I think Sapp's comparison works better for the latter half of Rice's career.

Purplemania wrote:I know this sounds weird. Jerry Rice is the best WR ever, but Moss is the most dangerous WR ever, if that made any sense.

It doesn't sound weird to me either ... I understand where you are coming from, and I agree.

Moss definitely worked hard keeping in shape, but had he just did a few more things that Rice did, he'd be widely accepted as the best ever (easy for me to say, sitting at my kitchen table sipping coffee).

It would have been really cool to have the Vikings go down for having the Greatest Receiver and the Greatest Running Back (which may be coming down the road).

Even in his prime on the vikings randy Moss was totally shut down in Playoff and big games . he only excelled when it was easy for him. Greatest ever?? Not even close. There are at least 5 WR active today that are better than he ever was. His ego and terrible attitude ruined his legacy. He could have been the best ever. He had way more natural talent than Jerry rice but he didn't have it between the ears and he lacked a champion's character

Laserman wrote:Even in his prime on the vikings randy Moss was totally shut down in Playoff and big games . he only excelled when it was easy for him. Greatest ever?? Not even close. There are at least 5 WR active today that are better than he ever was. His ego and terrible attitude ruined his legacy. He could have been the best ever. He had way more natural talent than Jerry rice but he didn't have it between the ears and he lacked a champion's character

Uhhhh no. Where do you get the idea that he sucked in the playoffs?

1998
4 catches, 73 yards and a TD vs. Arizona
6 catches, 75 yards and a TD vs. Atlanta

1999
5 catches, 127 yards and a TD vs. Dallas
9 catches, 188 yards and 2 TDs vs. St. Louis

2000
2 catches, 121 yards and 2 TDs vs. New Orleans

2004
4 catches, 70 yards and 2 TDs vs. Green Bay

2007
5 catches, 62 yards and a (at the time go ahead) TD vs. New York Giants in the Superbowl



Hardly "shut down" in the playoffs.

There's maybe 3 WRs even in the realm of Randy Moss currently playing; Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson. That's pretty elite company and I'd put Randy Moss either #1 or #2 in that group.

Laserman wrote:Even in his prime on the vikings randy Moss was totally shut down in Playoff and big games . he only excelled when it was easy for him. Greatest ever?? Not even close. There are at least 5 WR active today that are better than he ever was. His ego and terrible attitude ruined his legacy. He could have been the best ever. He had way more natural talent than Jerry rice but he didn't have it between the ears and he lacked a champion's character

Perhaps the most preposterous statement(s) ever:

1.) Moss in his prime vs Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Julio, etc... Moss 100 out of 100 times

2.) Another poster posted some of his playoff stats and I hardly call that getting "totally shut down".

I have a DVD of the 98 divisional round, and 99 wildcard round. Perhaps since you were born in 2003 this will help you.

Moss did indeed have a drop in the endzone but it was off his finger tips and not like it was in his bucket and got knocked away.

Calvin is great and easily the best WR currently but if you want to take Calvin's best year (2011) it still wasn't as good as Moss's rookie year.