Vikings QB Kellen Mond test positive for COVID; three QBs including Kirk Cousins expected to miss practice

[VikingsVictorious]

Mannion was just signed to the practice squad. I guess he won't make the roster until Kirk gets knocked out or some other BS happens.

Who is the backup QB on this team?

I think it is highly likely Cousins is going to miss more time during the season at some point. As I understand it, he has to quarantine regardless of any of his personal tests even if he's exposed to someone who tests positive with COVID. I don't see how he is going to make it through a 17 game season without that happening again at some point regardless of how strictly he follows the protocols, and that assumes he himself doesn't end up catching it, which would result in a longer period of time away.

If I'm Spielman, that has to be front-and-center in my planning. He's got to have a viable alternative at QB and I don't see one right now. Mannion at least has some starting experience with the team and is a proven, if unspectacular, option. Beyond him are we talking Mond or Stanley?

I dreamed I got Covid last night. It was unsettling.

[Pondering Her Percy]

LOL what a joke of a source.....

Lets use common knowledge here Stump.....

In 2017:
-Vikings/Keenum played 4 playoff teams during the regular season
-Keenum also had two games against Rodger-less Packers

in 2018:
-Vikings played 7 playoff teams during the regular season
-Plus two more games on top of that where the Packers did indeed have Rodgers

But somehow the 2018 schedule was the 19th easiest and 2017 was a tougher schedule

Find another source, because that one above and however they measure is a joke. How can we play 7 playoff teams PLUS 2 Aaron Rodgers led Packers games and have a MUCH easier schedule than a season where we played 4 playoff teams (5 when you add in the Bradford Saints game)???

That literally makes zero sense and will forever make zero sense. Bottom line is Keenums 4 playoff games compared to Cousins 7 plus 2 Packers games, it doesnt even come close to comparing. Keenum had a cupcake schedule in 2017, along with the #1 defense in the NFL.

Yep, pro-football-reference is clearly a bad source. Maybe you can come up with a better one?

Hmmmm, 2 more games against playoff teams but 5 more wins...

A 6-9-1 team was superior to a 7-9 one?

Whatever you need to tell yourself I guess.

I'm talking about who Keenum played. Not Bradford. Keenum played 4 playoff teams. Cousins played 7. Keenum played two games against the Packers who were pathetic without Rodgers. Cousins didnt get that luxury. Cousins had 9 games against either a playoff team or Aaron Rodgers led team. Keenum had.... 4 playoff teams. That was it. The rest of the schedule was garbage. If Cousins had Keenums schedule and the #1 defense in the entire NFL, I see 13-3 just as easily. Dont play dumb and try and use your "sources". It's common sense. Keenum had a cake walk in 2017. Cousins did not. I've been down this road with you many times before and you just all of the sudden find this "source".

And in regards to your "reliable source". Even if we did count the Saints game which PFR is doing, how in any way, shape or form could it say that Cousins schedule was THAT much easier than Keenums when Cousins played more playoff teams regardless? Thats not even counting the Packers games and adding in the Bradford/Saints game.

So like I said....what a joke of a source. It's computer generated and somehow doesnt even pick up on Cousins playing more playoff teams. Just use common knowledge, it will give you your answer. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. And as CV said above, that computer generated ranking is done going into the season. The Packers had Rodgers going into the season. It's honestly laughable that this is the "source" you resort to and it makes you think you actually have an argument

[StumpHunter]

I'm talking about who Keenum played. Not Bradford. Keenum played 4 playoff teams. Cousins played 7. Keenum played two games against the Packers who were pathetic without Rodgers. Cousins didnt get that luxury. Cousins had 9 games against either a playoff team or Aaron Rodgers led team. Keenum had.... 4 playoff teams. That was it. The rest of the schedule was garbage. If Cousins had Keenums schedule and the #1 defense in the entire NFL, I see 13-3 just as easily. Dont play dumb and try and use your "sources". It's common sense. Keenum had a cake walk in 2017. Cousins did not. I've been down this road with you many times before and you just all of the sudden find this "source".

The 2017 GB Packer team was superior to the 2018 one. Yes Rodgers on that 2017 team makes them significantly better than they were in 2017, but Rodgers on the 2018 GB team won fewer games than that 2017 team won with Rodgers being out the majority of the season. How can you continue to claim that 2018 GB team was superior, when they won fewer games with a HOF QB versus a backup? So absurd...

And in regards to your "reliable source". Even if we did count the Saints game which PFR is doing, how in any way, shape or form could it say that Cousins schedule was THAT much easier than Keenums when Cousins played more playoff teams regardless? Thats not even counting the Packers games and adding in the Bradford/Saints game.

PFR is one of the most highly respected sources for stats in the business. It doesn't take out the Saints game for Keenum because only someone trying make excuses for their favorite .500 QB would do that. As for why it says the schedule was harder despite 7 more playoff games than 5 more playoff games, for one thing it turns out there were other teams the Vikings played those years besides those playoff teams. Also, some of those teams in 2017, Baltimore and Detroit, would have won 10 games and likely made the playoffs if Case hadn't beaten them. One of the teams Cousins played, Seattle, wouldn't have made the playoffs and gone 9-7 if the Vikings had beaten them. So two more playoff teams for that 2017 season(5+2=7), 1 fewer for Cousins (7-1=6).

Hope that helps.

So like I said....what a joke of a source. It's computer generated and somehow doesnt even pick up on Cousins playing more playoff teams. Just use common knowledge, it will give you your answer. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. And as CV said above, that computer generated ranking is done going into the season. The Packers had Rodgers going into the season. It's honestly laughable that this is the "source" you resort to and it makes you think you actually have an argument

Yes, attack the source used by NFL analyst everywhere and don't provide a better one. The SoS is not based on a computer generated ranking before the season btw. It is based on the average of the combined defensive and offensive ranking of the opponents which is based on the results of the actual games. Actually clicking on the link and reading what it is based on would tell you that, but since it doesn't say what you want it to, you claim it is not a reliable source and don't bother looking at it. If you did you might have to acknowledge you were wrong.

[VikingsVictorious]

PHP I have to side with Stump on Pro Football Reference. It is the best source I know of. The rest of the argument I will leave between the two of you.

[CharVike]

Cowboys OG Zack Martin OUT vs the Bucs after positive COVID test DESPITE being FULLY VACINNATED! Anybody that was close to him I guess will also be out. But I'm sure that's a pick and choose deal or some other BS. I'm sure he had close contact with other OL players. He had to get close to some QBs. They made this more difficult than it should be. They played last year with none of this non sense.

[CharVike]

Cowboys OG Zack Martin OUT vs the Bucs after positive COVID test DESPITE being FULLY VACINNATED! Anybody that was close to him I guess will also be out. But I'm sure that's a pick and choose deal or some other BS. I'm sure he had close contact with other OL players. He had to get close to some QBs. They made this more difficult than it should be. They played last year with none of this non sense.

Backup G Brandon Knight was also added to the COVID list after being deemed as a close contact. You would think a center was close and a couple DTs. Pick and choose. Also taking a page from the Zim special team last second build book the boys later signed punter Bryan Anger to the active roster following the new designations.

[YikesVikes]

Cowboys OG Zack Martin OUT vs the Bucs after positive COVID test DESPITE being FULLY VACINNATED! Anybody that was close to him I guess will also be out. But I'm sure that's a pick and choose deal or some other BS. I'm sure he had close contact with other OL players. He had to get close to some QBs. They made this more difficult than it should be. They played last year with none of this non sense.

People weren't out and about this often last season. Being vaccinated doesn't 100% stop you from being infected but it does mitigate the chance of it and the signs and symptoms from the infection.

[S197]

Cowboys OG Zack Martin OUT vs the Bucs after positive COVID test DESPITE being FULLY VACINNATED! Anybody that was close to him I guess will also be out. But I'm sure that's a pick and choose deal or some other BS. I'm sure he had close contact with other OL players. He had to get close to some QBs. They made this more difficult than it should be. They played last year with none of this non sense.

The protocol is fine. It’s simple, your chances of playing are much greater if you’re vaccinated.

Unvaccinated players who test positive are out 10 days. Vaccinated players can return if symptom-free + two negative tests 24 hours apart.

Unvaccinated players who are close contacts are out five days. Vaccinated? Don't miss time, but will be subject to daily testing.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MySportsUpda ... 06306?s=19

Teams that care about their teammates and winning will be vaccinated. It’s not a coincidence the Super Bowl champs are 100% vaccinated.

[Pondering Her Percy]

PHP I have to side with Stump on Pro Football Reference. It is the best source I know of. The rest of the argument I will leave between the two of you.

I'm not saying PFR is a joke in general. It's the fact that he's using that schedule ranking when Keenum literally played 4 playoff teams in 2017 compared to the 7 Cousins played in 2018. But somehow our 2018 schedule was drastically easier? That is what I'm saying is indeed a joke. Doesnt say much for their SOS rankings to be honest. That's just 1/4 of our schedule in 2017 being against legitimate teams but nearly half of our 2018 schedule against legitimate teams.

Trust me when I say this, if Kirk was on that 2017 team, the usuals would be saying... "yeah the only reason he went 13-3 was because he played a cupcake schedule". I'd literally bet my life on that. But now we're defending that schedule and saying 7 playoff teams in 1 season is supposedly a cake walk. They'll always find a way my friend.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I'm talking about who Keenum played. Not Bradford. Keenum played 4 playoff teams. Cousins played 7. Keenum played two games against the Packers who were pathetic without Rodgers. Cousins didnt get that luxury. Cousins had 9 games against either a playoff team or Aaron Rodgers led team. Keenum had.... 4 playoff teams. That was it. The rest of the schedule was garbage. If Cousins had Keenums schedule and the #1 defense in the entire NFL, I see 13-3 just as easily. Dont play dumb and try and use your "sources". It's common sense. Keenum had a cake walk in 2017. Cousins did not. I've been down this road with you many times before and you just all of the sudden find this "source".

The 2017 GB Packer team was superior to the 2018 one. Yes Rodgers on that 2017 team makes them significantly better than they were in 2017, but Rodgers on the 2018 GB team won fewer games than that 2017 team won with Rodgers being out the majority of the season. How can you continue to claim that 2018 GB team was superior, when they won fewer games with a HOF QB versus a backup? So absurd...

And in regards to your "reliable source". Even if we did count the Saints game which PFR is doing, how in any way, shape or form could it say that Cousins schedule was THAT much easier than Keenums when Cousins played more playoff teams regardless? Thats not even counting the Packers games and adding in the Bradford/Saints game.

PFR is one of the most highly respected sources for stats in the business. It doesn't take out the Saints game for Keenum because only someone trying make excuses for their favorite .500 QB would do that. As for why it says the schedule was harder despite 7 more playoff games than 5 more playoff games, for one thing it turns out there were other teams the Vikings played those years besides those playoff teams. Also, some of those teams in 2017, Baltimore and Detroit, would have won 10 games and likely made the playoffs if Case hadn't beaten them. One of the teams Cousins played, Seattle, wouldn't have made the playoffs and gone 9-7 if the Vikings had beaten them. So two more playoff teams for that 2017 season(5+2=7), 1 fewer for Cousins (7-1=6).

Hope that helps.

So like I said....what a joke of a source. It's computer generated and somehow doesnt even pick up on Cousins playing more playoff teams. Just use common knowledge, it will give you your answer. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. And as CV said above, that computer generated ranking is done going into the season. The Packers had Rodgers going into the season. It's honestly laughable that this is the "source" you resort to and it makes you think you actually have an argument

Yes, attack the source used by NFL analyst everywhere and don't provide a better one. The SoS is not based on a computer generated ranking before the season btw. It is based on the average of the combined defensive and offensive ranking of the opponents which is based on the results of the actual games. Actually clicking on the link and reading what it is based on would tell you that, but since it doesn't say what you want it to, you claim it is not a reliable source and don't bother looking at it. If you did you might have to acknowledge you were wrong.

I dont need to provide a "source" for this. We know how these teams finished, we know who was good and who wasnt. There is no source needed. And in regards to the Packers.... playing the Packers without Aaron Rodgers vs playing them with Aaron Rodgers. Which is the tougher game NO MATTER who is on the rest of their team.... playing the Packers with Rodgers. That is 10000% common sense. If you dont know that by now, I dont know what to tell you. Oh and its nothing to do with defending Cousins. Last I checked, Case Keenum did not play against the Saints and the initial argument was who Case Keenum played.

I've literally made this argument on here with you a million times in the past and this is the first ever time you bring this source up. I have no need to continue to go back and forth with you anymore. We've been there done that. You have your opinion and I have mine. Although I would love to see this the other way around and see what you would be saying. My guess is, this source wouldnt exist.

[VikingsVictorious]

PHP I have to side with Stump on Pro Football Reference. It is the best source I know of. The rest of the argument I will leave between the two of you.

I'm not saying PFR is a joke in general. It's the fact that he's using that schedule ranking when Keenum literally played 4 playoff teams in 2017 compared to the 7 Cousins played in 2018. But somehow our 2018 schedule was drastically easier? That is what I'm saying is indeed a joke. Doesnt say much for their SOS rankings to be honest. That's just 1/4 of our schedule in 2017 being against legitimate teams but nearly half of our 2018 schedule against legitimate teams.

Trust me when I say this, if Kirk was on that 2017 team, the usuals would be saying... "yeah the only reason he went 13-3 was because he played a cupcake schedule". I'd literally bet my life on that. But now we're defending that schedule and saying 7 playoff teams in 1 season is supposedly a cake walk. They'll always find a way my friend.

Stump is the Spin Doctor. He will take any information he finds and figure out some way to spin it as negative for Cousins. If he can't figure out how to spin it then he will ignore it or belittle it.

[StumpHunter]

I'm not saying PFR is a joke in general. It's the fact that he's using that schedule ranking when Keenum literally played 4 playoff teams in 2017 compared to the 7 Cousins played in 2018. But somehow our 2018 schedule was drastically easier? That is what I'm saying is indeed a joke. Doesnt say much for their SOS rankings to be honest. That's just 1/4 of our schedule in 2017 being against legitimate teams but nearly half of our 2018 schedule against legitimate teams.

Trust me when I say this, if Kirk was on that 2017 team, the usuals would be saying... "yeah the only reason he went 13-3 was because he played a cupcake schedule". I'd literally bet my life on that. But now we're defending that schedule and saying 7 playoff teams in 1 season is supposedly a cake walk. They'll always find a way my friend.

Stump is the Spin Doctor. He will take any information he finds and figure out some way to spin it as negative for Cousins. If he can't figure out how to spin it then he will ignore it or belittle it.

Spin is what PHP is doing and what is required to defend a 30 million dollar QB taking a team a backup won 13 games with and making them 8-7-1.

I was just posting the definitive stat for SOS that says the Vikings 2017 schedule was much harder than the 2018 one. Cousins was a massive disappointment in 2018, no spin needed at all.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Stump is the Spin Doctor. He will take any information he finds and figure out some way to spin it as negative for Cousins. If he can't figure out how to spin it then he will ignore it or belittle it.

Spin is what PHP is doing and what is required to defend a 30 million dollar QB taking a team a backup won 13 games with and making them 8-7-1.

I was just posting the definitive stat for SOS that says the Vikings 2017 schedule was much harder than the 2018 one. Cousins was a massive disappointment in 2018, no spin needed at all.

lol there are stats, there are different opinions and then there is flat out common sense. And trust me, all you need here is common sense. Nobody is saying Cousins was a superstar in 2018 but lets be honest, there were plenty of factors that played a part in that, not just Cousins. I have forever said that Flip was the main problem with that 2020 team.

You act like I'm sitting here begging for forgiveness with Cousins. I never said he had some amazing 2018 but let's be honest, what advantage did Cousins have in 2018 that Keenum didnt in 2017?

-Keenum had the #1 defense in the NFL (one that was historically good in some areas), Cousins didnt
-Keenum had an experienced coordinator that was already engrained into this system and knew how to balance an offense, Cousins didnt, he had a moron
-Keenum had a run game that took the pressure off him (with lesser RBs no less), Cousins could have but didnt because of that specific moron
-Keenum had such a cupcake schedule that he didnt even have to play Aaron Rodgers within the division, Cousins was the opposite.

Those arent just advantages, some of those are MONSTER advantages. Flip was a disaster of a hire and that goes to show. He's what, the Bears QB coach now? He single handedly crumbled that 2018 team along with a little regression in other areas. I blame Zim, Spielman and Flip for that 2018 regression. They should have promoted someone within from the start and they didnt and it drastically backfired.

But yeah spin doctor does fit pretty well I must say

[StumpHunter]

Spin is what PHP is doing and what is required to defend a 30 million dollar QB taking a team a backup won 13 games with and making them 8-7-1.

I was just posting the definitive stat for SOS that says the Vikings 2017 schedule was much harder than the 2018 one. Cousins was a massive disappointment in 2018, no spin needed at all.

lol there are stats, there are different opinions and then there is flat out common sense. And trust me, all you need here is common sense. Nobody is saying Cousins was a superstar in 2018 but lets be honest, there were plenty of factors that played a part in that, not just Cousins. I have forever said that Flip was the main problem with that 2020 team.

You act like I'm sitting here begging for forgiveness with Cousins. I never said he had some amazing 2018 but let's be honest, what advantage did Cousins have in 2018 that Keenum didnt in 2017?

-Keenum had the #1 defense in the NFL (one that was historically good in some areas), Cousins didnt
-Keenum had an experienced coordinator that was already engrained into this system and knew how to balance an offense, Cousins didnt, he had a moron
-Keenum had a run game that took the pressure off him (with lesser RBs no less), Cousins could have but didnt because of that specific moron
-Keenum had such a cupcake schedule that he didnt even have to play Aaron Rodgers within the division, Cousins was the opposite.

Those arent just advantages, some of those are MONSTER advantages. Flip was a disaster of a hire and that goes to show. He's what, the Bears QB coach now? He single handedly crumbled that 2018 team along with a little regression in other areas. I blame Zim, Spielman and Flip for that 2018 regression. They should have promoted someone within from the start and they didnt and it drastically backfired.

But yeah spin doctor does fit pretty well I must say

The irony of what you just wrote...

[VikingsVictorious]

Stump is the Spin Doctor. He will take any information he finds and figure out some way to spin it as negative for Cousins. If he can't figure out how to spin it then he will ignore it or belittle it.

Spin is what PHP is doing and what is required to defend a 30 million dollar QB taking a team a backup won 13 games with and making them 8-7-1.

I was just posting the definitive stat for SOS that says the Vikings 2017 schedule was much harder than the 2018 one. Cousins was a massive disappointment in 2018, no spin needed at all.

Here you go spinning again. Cousins in no way was disappointing in any of the years we've had him except for the Vikings record. He played well and put up excellent stats. He can't control what the rest of the team does. You are just out of touch with reality with all your Cousins bashing.