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StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:13 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:29 pm
There are never many options available when it comes to QBs. Speilman needed to sign Cousins when he became available because we had nothing at the position. Since Cousins is a good QB other teams were involved which drove the price up. Our team at that point appeared to be a QB away so Speilman made the move. I give him credit for that. 2018 Cousins first year was a tough season for us starting with Griff having problems. He was our best D player. Our leader. Rhodes also went into the tank and he was a dam good player. So #### happens. The most POed I ever became at Speilman was letting Jones slide by during the draft. IMO this will cost us big time. When a QB is there and they have 1st round talent make the pick. The position is too valuable.

Fixed your quote for you.

The only other team involved with driving up the price was the worst run team in the league. No other team wanted to offer what Rick did.

2018 was indeed a rough year for Cousins. Top 5 RB, top 5 WR duo, and a top 3 scoring defense.

I mean, he had Rhodes out there in a secondary that gave up a league low 15 TDs, 3rd fewest yards and the 4th best passer rating against.

How could any QB ever overcome those kind of obstacles?

Thanks for the fix.
Denver bailed out. I'm sure there were others they didn't even report it. Cousins is out of here soon and if we do the right thing this is it for him. I'm sure no team will be looking. Or maybe one. Once the Eagles shredded Rhodes he was never the same. His last few seasons here were not very good regardless of some number you post. Found this which I already knew.
Back in 2017 with the Minnesota Vikings, Xavier Rhodes was arguably the best cornerback in the NFL. Rhodes consistently shut down the league’s top receivers and it resulted in him earning a First-Team All-Pro selection.
Unfortunately, Rhodes saw his performance trend in the wrong direction during his next two seasons with the Vikings and the team ultimately decided to let him go earlier this year.
Rhodes fell apart and sucked after 2017.
The Minnesota Vikings Everson Griffen was one of 16 players to finish last season with double-digit sacks, hits, and hurries in 2017.
2018 he was crap. Bad year and time for him.
Bottom line the D went backwards in 2018. They never recovered after being diced like a tomato in the champ game by a backup QB. You need to play some D to have a chance. I'm sure at some point in history a team made the Super Bowl with a junk defense and perhaps the Phins did it with HOFer Marino putting points up at will.
2018 our FG kicker couldn't make a FG against the Pack after a great comeback 22 points in 4th quarter. He was later cut.
Many things happened in 2018 that certainly didn't help us.
This year every player needs to play at their best because we need 14 wins to have a chance at the division title. That's a tall order. IMO we will lose 2 division games so we can only have one lose outside the division. Plus health will be key as always.
We open up at Cincy and IMO I would open the O up and try to strike early and get the lead which will take the crowd out and put their O into one dimensional form.
But Kubiak will run his Ground Chuck knock off Kube-Steak offense and pound Cook into the ground. He'll get 150+ yards and we will sneak a 24-17 win out but will allow the Bengals to stay on our heels as we pound the time off the clock. Sounds like early 70s football. One mistake will blow that approach up.

Irv Smith to have surgery out 2-4 weeks and maybe whole season.

CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:53 pm Irv Smith to have surgery out 2-4 weeks and maybe whole season.

I doubt the whole season but he will be out for season opener and probably will be back in 2nd game

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:12 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:13 pm

Fixed your quote for you.

The only other team involved with driving up the price was the worst run team in the league. No other team wanted to offer what Rick did.

2018 was indeed a rough year for Cousins. Top 5 RB, top 5 WR duo, and a top 3 scoring defense.

I mean, he had Rhodes out there in a secondary that gave up a league low 15 TDs, 3rd fewest yards and the 4th best passer rating against.

How could any QB ever overcome those kind of obstacles?

A top 5 RB that wasnt used. A completely new offense for everyone. And a defense that took a step back. And on top of that playing a 1st place schedule. I’ve said before, it wasn’t the cake walk schedule Keenum had in 2017

2018 was the 19th easiest schedule in the history of the franchise. 2017 was the 43rd easiest.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... /index.htm

CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:06 am
Back in 2017 with the Minnesota Vikings, Xavier Rhodes was arguably the best cornerback in the NFL. Rhodes consistently shut down the league’s top receivers and it resulted in him earning a First-Team All-Pro selection.
Unfortunately, Rhodes saw his performance trend in the wrong direction during his next two seasons with the Vikings and the team ultimately decided to let him go earlier this year.
Rhodes fell apart and sucked after 2017.

2018 wasn't as good as 2017 no doubt, but he did not "fall apart and suck" in 2018. Unless you can explain how the #3 pass defense in the NFL had a sucky #1 CB?

Besides, regardless of how Griffen or Rhodes played, the defense itself was #3 in the NFL. A plus for a QB, not a minus.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:12 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:12 pm

A top 5 RB that wasnt used. A completely new offense for everyone. And a defense that took a step back. And on top of that playing a 1st place schedule. I’ve said before, it wasn’t the cake walk schedule Keenum had in 2017

2018 was the 19th easiest schedule in the history of the franchise. 2017 was the 43rd easiest.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... /index.htm

Keenum did have a cake walk. Rodgers getting knocked out made the Packers part of that cake walk. Our great D that year shut the Packers out for the first time in??? Who knows forever I guess. Maybe against the magic man Mckowski but I doubt it. Based on the above 2018 was the cake walk with Rodgers playing against us. Wouldn't have thought that. Rodgers better not get hurt he makes them worse.

RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:22 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:53 pm Irv Smith to have surgery out 2-4 weeks and maybe whole season.

I doubt the whole season but he will be out for season opener and probably will be back in 2nd game

Depends on what they find I guess. Week 1 won't matter because that will be the Kube-Steak ground attack to the max against a piss pour run defense. Adam and Jefferson can sit also and maybe get back to 100%. Cook will be the walking zombie when we leave the field that day. Matti might get 15 carries. Three yards and a clump of turf with Cook busting a couple long ones. Conklin could get a TD pass from the 2 yard line off play action on 3rd and goal. I'm not expecting air Kubiak week 1.

CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:53 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:12 pm
2018 was the 19th easiest schedule in the history of the franchise. 2017 was the 43rd easiest.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... /index.htm

Keenum did have a cake walk. Rodgers getting knocked out made the Packers part of that cake walk. Our great D that year shut the Packers out for the first time in??? Who knows forever I guess. Maybe against the magic man Mckowski but I doubt it. Based on the above 2018 was the cake walk with Rodgers playing against us. Wouldn't have thought that. Rodgers better not get hurt he makes them worse.

Didn't realize Rodgers plays on every team we play.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:41 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:53 pm
Keenum did have a cake walk. Rodgers getting knocked out made the Packers part of that cake walk. Our great D that year shut the Packers out for the first time in??? Who knows forever I guess. Maybe against the magic man Mckowski but I doubt it. Based on the above 2018 was the cake walk with Rodgers playing against us. Wouldn't have thought that. Rodgers better not get hurt he makes them worse.

Didn't realize Rodgers plays on every team we play.

Rodgers was knocked out in 2017 which helped us win the division and 2018 he wasn't. So I don't know how 2017 was so much harder than 2018. We didn't play against a HOF QB from our division 2017. In 2018 we did that twice. Whatever you think. If Rodgers gets knocked out again we will win our division because 10 wins will do it. If he plays it will take 14. That's not hard to see.

CharVike wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:43 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:41 pm
Didn't realize Rodgers plays on every team we play.

Rodgers was knocked out in 2017 which helped us win the division and 2018 he wasn't. So I don't know how 2017 was so much harder than 2018. We didn't play against a HOF QB from our division 2017. In 2018 we did that twice. Whatever you think. If Rodgers gets knocked out again we will win our division because 10 wins will do it. If he plays it will take 14. That's not hard to see.

The 2017 Packers were 7-9, 2018 6-10. Regardless of Rodgers, the 2018 Packer team was worse overall. Not to mention that Rodgers only plays on 2 of the 14 teams we play.

I posted the numbers. The FACTS, not opinions, tell us the 2018 season was much, much easier than 2017 one and our 2019 season was even easier than 2018.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:12 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:12 pm

A top 5 RB that wasnt used. A completely new offense for everyone. And a defense that took a step back. And on top of that playing a 1st place schedule. I’ve said before, it wasn’t the cake walk schedule Keenum had in 2017

2018 was the 19th easiest schedule in the history of the franchise. 2017 was the 43rd easiest.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... /index.htm

LOL what a joke of a source.....

Lets use common knowledge here Stump.....

In 2017:
-Vikings/Keenum played 4 playoff teams during the regular season
-Keenum also had two games against Rodger-less Packers

in 2018:
-Vikings played 7 playoff teams during the regular season
-Plus two more games on top of that where the Packers did indeed have Rodgers

But somehow the 2018 schedule was the 19th easiest and 2017 was a tougher schedule

Find another source, because that one above and however they measure is a joke. How can we play 7 playoff teams PLUS 2 Aaron Rodgers led Packers games and have a MUCH easier schedule than a season where we played 4 playoff teams (5 when you add in the Bradford Saints game)???

That literally makes zero sense and will forever make zero sense. Bottom line is Keenums 4 playoff games compared to Cousins 7 plus 2 Packers games, it doesnt even come close to comparing. Keenum had a cupcake schedule in 2017, along with the #1 defense in the NFL.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:38 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:12 pm
2018 was the 19th easiest schedule in the history of the franchise. 2017 was the 43rd easiest.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... /index.htm

LOL what a joke of a source.....

Lets use common knowledge here Stump.....

In 2017:
-Vikings/Keenum played 4 playoff teams during the regular season
-Keenum also had two games against Rodger-less Packers

in 2018:
-Vikings played 7 playoff teams during the regular season
-Plus two more games on top of that where the Packers did indeed have Rodgers

But somehow the 2018 schedule was the 19th easiest and 2017 was a tougher schedule

Find another source, because that one above and however they measure is a joke. How can we play 7 playoff teams PLUS 2 Aaron Rodgers led Packers games and have a MUCH easier schedule than a season where we played 4 playoff teams (5 when you add in the Bradford Saints game)???

That literally makes zero sense and will forever make zero sense. Bottom line is Keenums 4 playoff games compared to Cousins 7 plus 2 Packers games, it doesnt even come close to comparing. Keenum had a cupcake schedule in 2017, along with the #1 defense in the NFL.

Yep, pro-football-reference is clearly a bad source. Maybe you can come up with a better one?

Hmmmm, 2 more games against playoff teams but 5 more wins...

A 6-9-1 team was superior to a 7-9 one?

Whatever you need to tell yourself I guess.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:01 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:38 pm

LOL what a joke of a source.....

Lets use common knowledge here Stump.....

In 2017:
-Vikings/Keenum played 4 playoff teams during the regular season
-Keenum also had two games against Rodger-less Packers

in 2018:
-Vikings played 7 playoff teams during the regular season
-Plus two more games on top of that where the Packers did indeed have Rodgers

But somehow the 2018 schedule was the 19th easiest and 2017 was a tougher schedule

Find another source, because that one above and however they measure is a joke. How can we play 7 playoff teams PLUS 2 Aaron Rodgers led Packers games and have a MUCH easier schedule than a season where we played 4 playoff teams (5 when you add in the Bradford Saints game)???

That literally makes zero sense and will forever make zero sense. Bottom line is Keenums 4 playoff games compared to Cousins 7 plus 2 Packers games, it doesnt even come close to comparing. Keenum had a cupcake schedule in 2017, along with the #1 defense in the NFL.

Yep, pro-football-reference is clearly a bad source. Maybe you can come up with a better one?

Hmmmm, 2 more games against playoff teams but 5 more wins...

A 6-9-1 team was superior to a 7-9 one?

Whatever you need to tell yourself I guess.

These ratings were probably done before the season. Certainly the Packers without Rodgers are a 6 win team and with him they are 12+. That's what a HOF QB in a league that bends every rule in favor of passing will do for you. Keenum is a fine backup who you don't want in there for more than a couple games. Zim's D collapsed starting with the 2nd half of the Saints miracle playoff win and didn't even show up for the champ game. No QB was winning that game for us including Rodgers or Brady. But none of this matters we are in the now. Right now the QB Speilman let fall through his hands will be the Pats starter for game 1. Like all rookie QBs he will have some struggles. Meanwhile the guy he reached for is taking a roster spot for nothing besides giving Speilman some bragging rights in his own head for making a selection that made the roster. That roster spot needs to be filled by a player that can contribute. So now he'll bring Mannion back to carry Kirk's jock strap and play book to meetings. Then we will have 3 QBs on the roster. None that have a long term future with us. Hopefully when teams start calling for Kirk, like Denver, Speilman pulls the trigger and puts his pick in the lineup. He's doesn't have the nuts to do that which is a problem for all fans.

Mannion was just signed to the practice squad. I guess he won't make the roster until Kirk gets knocked out or some other BS happens.

CharVike wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:25 am Mannion was just signed to the practice squad. I guess he won't make the roster until Kirk gets knocked out or some other BS happens.

Who is the backup QB on this team?

I think it is highly likely Cousins is going to miss more time during the season at some point. As I understand it, he has to quarantine regardless of any of his personal tests even if he's exposed to someone who tests positive with COVID. I don't see how he is going to make it through a 17 game season without that happening again at some point regardless of how strictly he follows the protocols, and that assumes he himself doesn't end up catching it, which would result in a longer period of time away.

If I'm Spielman, that has to be front-and-center in my planning. He's got to have a viable alternative at QB and I don't see one right now. Mannion at least has some starting experience with the team and is a proven, if unspectacular, option. Beyond him are we talking Mond or Stanley?