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denburch wrote:My feeling is that the mother who originally brought it to court is satisfied, and says it is still okay for A.D. to see his son. Why isn't that good enough for us? Let him pay his fine with the NFL and let's move on.

Just because it is ok with the child's mother does not necessarily make it ok for everyone else. We have all seen cases where women are being abused by their husband/boyfriend but when it comes time to press charges, they say they are ok with it and don't want to press charges - so does that make it ok? I think not.

Purple Reign wrote: Just because it is ok with the child's mother does not necessarily make it ok for everyone else. We have all seen cases where women are being abused by their husband/boyfriend but when it comes time to press charges, they say they are ok with it and don't want to press charges - so does that make it ok? I think not.

This is the case with a lot of battered women too. Some are afraid of retaliation, some may think of a civil suit in the future. I have no idea who this woman is, but I cant help but wonder if its one of the women he invites to charity events.

Purple Reign wrote: Just because it is ok with the child's mother does not necessarily make it ok for everyone else. We have all seen cases where women are being abused by their husband/boyfriend but when it comes time to press charges, they say they are ok with it and don't want to press charges - so does that make it ok? I think not.

This isn't one of those cases.

PurpleKoolaid wrote:This is the case with a lot of battered women too. Some are afraid of retaliation, some may think of a civil suit in the future. I have no idea who this woman is, but I cant help but wonder if its one of the women he invites to charity events.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:Oh boy I'm not liking this....

Per Rappoport

It would be interesting to know who's on what side of that internal battle and why but I doubt we'll be privy to that information.

Mothman wrote:
It would be interesting to know who's on what side of that internal battle and why but I doubt we'll be privy to that information.

Or maybe there's no battle at all ...


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One of my favorite bands when growing up. Saw them on their Vengeance tour and Turbo tour. How's Halford sounding?

Purple Reign wrote: Just because it is ok with the child's mother does not necessarily make it ok for everyone else. We have all seen cases where women are being abused by their husband/boyfriend but when it comes time to press charges, they say they are ok with it and don't want to press charges - so does that make it ok? I think not.

Why does it need to be ok for anyone else besides the mother and son?

And for those waiting for an apology, isn't there only one person that Peterson needs to apologize to?

Mothman wrote: This isn't one of those cases.

Not sure what you mean here. No, it's not exactly the same but it is similar. So are you saying if the child's mother was ok with it and didn't want to bring any charges, then the rest of us should be ok with it?

808vikingsfan wrote: Why does it need to be ok for anyone else besides the mother and son?

And for those waiting for an apology, isn't there only one person that Peterson needs to apologize to?

Because we are all entitled to our own opinion, just like you are entitled to yours. Evidently it's not ok with Nike and other sponsors as well.

Purple Reign wrote: Because we are all entitled to our own opinion, just like you are entitled to yours. Evidently it's not ok with Nike and other sponsors as well.

I find it odd that people are still worked up about this, A plea deal was reached in an extremely common manner, AP received no special treatment, and By all accounts he has acquitted himself in the eyes of the Mother (and presumably the victim). He has lost Millions in endorsements and its a very really possibility he tanked any chance of setting any all time records (something he has declared a burning desire for many times) by missing at least half a year of a career that is rapidly coming to its twilight. He will mostly likely face heavy fines and lose more game time. I thought it was as despicable as anyone but what little he has said publicly and the actions he has taken show me that he is doing all the right things.

Barring silly things like "Public apologies" or something what do those not satisfied believe he owes? Everyone ACTUALLY involved appears to have been satisfied with the results.

Purple Reign wrote:Not sure what you mean here. No, it's not exactly the same but it is similar. So are you saying if the child's mother was ok with it and didn't want to bring any charges, then the rest of us should be ok with it?

I meant exactly what I typed: this isn't one of those cases. They're not particularly similar either. Any similarities are purely superficical. Peterson didn't repeatedly beat a wife or girlfriend, there's no established pattern of criminal wrongdoing in this case and no need for a straw man example when we already have a specific case and a specific set of circumstances to discuss.

As for this repeated question of whether people "should be ok with it": it's a given that everybody here is entitled to their opinion so there's no point in turning this thread into a discussion of what people "should" think. If you're not okay with it, it would be far more conducive to good discussion to express your own point of view on the actual situation rather than to keep asking ask questions along the lines of "does that make it ok?" and "Are you saying the rest of us should be ok with it?".

Mothman wrote: I meant exactly what I typed: this isn't one of those cases. They're not particularly similar either. Any similarities are purely superficical. Peterson didn't repeatedly beat a wife or girlfriend, there's no established pattern of criminal wrongdoing in this case and no need for a straw man example when we already have a specific case and a specific set of circumstances to discuss.

As for this repeated question of whether people "should be ok with it": it's a given that everybody here is entitled to their opinion so there's no point in turning this thread into a discussion of what people "should" think. If you're not okay with it, it would be far more conducive to good discussion to express your own point of view on the actual situation rather than to keep asking ask questions along the lines of "does that make it ok?" and "Are you saying the rest of us should be ok with it?".

The only point I was trying to make is that just because a victim (or in this case the mother of the victim) is ok/satisfied with things, doesn't mean that no one else should have any concern or be ok with it. The example I used of abused/battered women being 'ok' with it shouldn't mean everyone else should be ok with it, and from that standpoint (and that standpoint alone), those cases are similar.

I think I've made my point clear on this issue, so the will be the last message I'm going to post on this subject.

Purple Reign wrote: The only point I was trying to make is that just because a victim (or in this case the mother of the victim) is ok/satisfied with things, doesn't mean that no one else should have any concern or be ok with it. The example I used of abused/battered women being 'ok' with it shouldn't mean everyone else should be ok with it, and from that standpoint (and that standpoint alone), those cases are similar.

I think I've made my point clear on this issue, so the will be the last message I'm going to post on this subject.

I think the main difference in this case that doesn't really mesh with your examples is the fact that the child's mother did press chargers. She was not ok with the discipline that took place, and that is why we are in the situation we are now.

So when she is now ok with Peterson's involvement in the child's life, I think it's very safe to say that it is a sign that she believes Peterson's actions will not repeat and that he has understood the wrong he did.

Which I think was part of what Mothman was referring to when he said that there's no reason to bring straw man comparisons into the mix when we have plenty of details about this specific case. When you take into account all the details, there's really no reason to believe this is a woman who is just willing to allow her child to be subject to repeated abuse. Which makes her wish for Peterson to continue to be a part of her child's life a very convincing sign that this incident was an isolated event and that Peterson is doing and saying the right things.

saint33 wrote: I think the main difference in this case that doesn't really mesh with your examples is the fact that the child's mother did press chargers. She was not ok with the discipline that took place, and that is why we are in the situation we are now.

Ok, I lied about not posting again but in my defense I am responding to a different 'fact'. To my knowledge, the child's mother did not press charges, she just brought the child to the hospital and the Montgomery County officials are the ones who filed charges. I couldn't find much of anything as far as any comments that the child's mother has made about the situation, but I thought I read something where she didn't think what AP did was right but also thought AP shouldn't be disciplined for it but I'm not sure.

IrishViking wrote:
I find it odd that people are still worked up about this, A plea deal was reached in an extremely common manner, AP received no special treatment, and By all accounts he has acquitted himself in the eyes of the Mother (and presumably the victim). He has lost Millions in endorsements and its a very really possibility he tanked any chance of setting any all time records (something he has declared a burning desire for many times) by missing at least half a year of a career that is rapidly coming to its twilight. He will mostly likely face heavy fines and lose more game time. I thought it was as despicable as anyone but what little he has said publicly and the actions he has taken show me that he is doing all the right things.

Barring silly things like "Public apologies" or something what do those not satisfied believe he owes? Everyone ACTUALLY involved appears to have been satisfied with the results.

I'm surprised it took this long for this tidbit to come up, I've been moving and really busy so I didn't have time to make my post but I thought the same things. Adrian missing this much time is a pretty significant knock on his legacy and to his chances of setting the all time records and of course there is no shot at Dickersons single season record this year. Missing games, even while getting paid is still a significant punishment to someone as competitive as AD. Add on to that the loss of sponsors and everything else and I think the guy is definitely not getting off easy in the grand scheme of things.