Draft Status

[im4mnvikes]

After Cam, RGIII, Russell Wilson, Luck, Foles...we still need to give guys time? Start a McNabb for a season? We're going to roll the franchise dice on a player who isn't even ready to play when he enters the NFL?

No thanks.

Or we will be right where we have been for the last decade and more...

So who do you want to come in and save the Vikings right away first year?

[PurpleHalo]

… which implies that they share lots of DNA. Additionally, their models, the people they imitated from early in life are the same (i.e. their parents), so both biologically and environmental / educational-wise (nature and nurture) they are very, very similar.

All that said, I'd be concerned more by the types of passes he's making at Fresno. Can he make the jump to the NFL? Those stats don't really tell an objective story.

Watch Bridgewater play too: slow release, big loopy throws to WRs that are extremely wide open or that his receivers go up and make plays on (over 3rd tier D backs in that weak conference). He is said to be a great leader and very high character, but I don't see a strong arm and I don't see too many passes that translate to the NFL. I certainly don't see him facing high level competition consistently. I fear the NFL will be a rude awakening.

I hope we end up in the 5-10 area and are able to take Manziel. Plan B for me? Take a LB like CJ Mosley, Barr, Mack in the 1st and a Mettenberger or Aaron Murray in the 2nd.

I wasn't necessarily trying to impart that I am a Carr guy, can't say I know too much about him. Was just a general comment, many stars have brothers who weren't good enough. I am and have been very intrigued by Manziel, yet he is the scariest pick in the upcoming draft. He could be unreal good, or a total Ryan Leaf flop. I just want something different at this point.

[Delaqure]

Whoever we pick will be a flop. Oh, did my cynicism come out? Sorry, been a viking fan for too long.

I just really want the football gods to be on our side for once. Please let us get a good QB and a good coach. I really need something to cheer about.

[mansquatch]

Manziel is the most interesting to me. He is mobile, plus he is playing against the toughest competition college has to offer. Admittedly I haven't watchd a lot of the college game. IMO, the guy's work ethic, discipline, and intelligence are just as important as his physical abilities.

Carr's scouting above sounds a lot like Jay Cutler. Hopefully Carr doesn't have the mental issues Cutler has.

[Purple bruise]

Manziel is the most interesting to me. He is mobile, plus he is playing against the toughest competition college has to offer. Admittedly I haven't watchd a lot of the college game. IMO, the guy's work ethic, discipline, and intelligence are just as important as his physical abilities.

Carr's scouting above sounds a lot like Jay Cutler. Hopefully Carr doesn't have the mental issues Cutler has.

He does play in a tough conference and they are 4-4 in conference. I hope that the Vikes do not draft this guy unless somehow he slips into the second round. The Vikings need defensive help more than anything. There are no Lucks or Peyton Mannings in this draft that I can see.

[NextQuestion]

Why is everyone against an awesome talent like Manziel? Is it because he isn't family friendly MN nice? I love it. Get raw and don't shovel your neighbors sidewalk for once

[Texas Vike]

Why is everyone against an awesome talent like Manziel? Is it because he isn't family friendly MN nice? I love it. Get raw and don't shovel your neighbors sidewalk for once

1. Not everyone is against him. I'd guess that about 40% of posters are in favor of Manziel. He's a polarizing figure.

2. A lot of posters don't watch much college ball. Comparisons to Tebow are an illustration of this ignorance.

3. I do think personality is part of it. MN Nice is funny though. If we draft this kid and he performs lights out, you'll see him suddenly embraced, warts and all. His cockiness will suddenly be praised.

[PurpleKoolaid]

Why is everyone against an awesome talent like Manziel? Is it because he isn't family friendly MN nice? I love it. Get raw and don't shovel your neighbors sidewalk for once

He is a punk kid, with a weak arm, receivers that bail him out ALL the time, hes like Ponder, he runs out of a good pocket for no reason, and his 'talent' will never shine in the NFL. I am tired of QB drama and JFB has drama written all over him, like high school drama.

[NextQuestion]

Moss had "maturity issues" coming into the draft. Big whoop. I don't need a babysitter to come watch my dog. I want a dude who will win games for me on Sunday.

[PurpleKoolaid]

Moss had "maturity issues" coming into the draft. Big whoop. I don't need a babysitter to come watch my dog. I want a dude who will win games for me on Sunday.

Me too. that's why I don't want JFB. We already saw what our 'midget' QB could do. But then you see the shrimp as the next Brees or Wilson. I see a wimp Mathews will rip to shreds when he runs out of the pocket, which is about 99% of the time. And then he does his Dez Brant impersonation on the sidelines. And I don't mean a victory celebration.

[saint33]

The issue with JFB is how is his talent going to transition to the NFL. I can understand where the comparison to Tebow comes from, not in each player's individual traits, however in their success at the college ranks despite their unconventional styles of play in regards to what an NFL QB looks like.

To me, I see JFB as the Reggie Bush of QBs. Reggie Bush was highly successful and electrifying as a college running back. But when he made it to the pros, it took him years to transition to the pace and style of the NFL game to where he could be used as a starting RB.

JFB is very small, and his style is going to lead to him getting hit a lot in the NFL. That's a huge concern. He has a tendency to throw off his back foot and float balls, another big concern. His scrambling around to keep plays alive could be successful in the NFL, but one has to wonder if those near missed tackle from less talented college players will result in much bigger, faster NFL defenders clobbering him. And his mechanics and footwork still need a lot of work.

It's certainly going to be an interesting evaluation, and I honestly cannot tell you where I expect him to go in the draft. His talent is very apparent, and when you watch his game, he clearly has that "it" factor at this current level. But with that said, there are clearly many issues with his game that are hard to predict how they will translate. Basically, to me he is the definition of a boom or bust prospect. And the off the field antics and attitude issues only further those concerns.

He's the kind of player that you are so nervous to take a chance on, if you do and he fails, you can look really stupid. However, if you're a team which decides to pass on him and in the end, his talents translate to the NFL, you can be kicking yourself for years for doing so, because if he does translate to the NFL, he will be a special player.

[PurpleHalo]

1. Not everyone is against him. I'd guess that about 40% of posters are in favor of Manziel. He's a polarizing figure.

2. A lot of posters don't watch much college ball. Comparisons to Tebow are an illustration of this ignorance.

3. I do think personality is part of it. MN Nice is funny though. If we draft this kid and he performs lights out, you'll see him suddenly embraced, warts and all. His cockiness will suddenly be praised.

Minnesota nice is a complete fairy tale. Just wanted to get that out, everyone everywhere are the same, some nice, some not.

About your 2nd point on your list. I think many have not seen his improvement throwing the ball. But even before that, I don't get the Tebow comparison. Tebow didn't throw a lot in college, he ran a ton. Manziel runs to keep a play alive and complete a pass, for the most part.

[Texas Vike]

Minnesota nice is a complete fairy tale. Just wanted to get that out, everyone everywhere are the same, some nice, some not.

After growing up in the Twin Cities I've spent the last 20 years living in 9 cities on 3 continents in three countries and in three different states: people are not the same everywhere, thankfully. You're right that there are some good and bad everywhere, but there are definite differences everywhere you go… anyways, MN Nice is neither bad nor good (I love Minnesotans BTW)… but definitely not predisposed to give a warm reception to a cocky kid like Manziel. He's full on Texas bravado, boastful, loud and in your face. Very different from the way you're supposed to behave in MN. But humans often embrace stars/ celebrities that do things that they normally wouldn't; if he brings us our long awaited SB I'm pretty sure he'd be embraced hard.

About your 2nd point on your list. I think many have not seen his improvement throwing the ball. But even before that, I don't get the Tebow comparison. Tebow didn't throw a lot in college, he ran a ton. Manziel runs to keep a play alive and complete a pass, for the most part.

I agree on both of your points. He's a hell of a player. I do have some reservations about whether his game will translate well to the NFL, but I see something special in this kid and would welcome his whole style as a complete sea change for us.

[Reignman]

With the 4th pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select ...

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                       schedule            remaining opponents
                W-L-T  strength   week-15        week-16        week-17
1. Houston      2-11-0  .538   @IND  8-5-0     DEN 11-2-0    @TEN  5-8-0
2. Washington   3-10-0  .539   @ATL  3-10-0    DAL  7-5-0    @NYG  5-8-0
3. Atlanta      3-10-0  .559    WAS  3-10-0   @SF   9-4-0     CAR  9-4-0
4. Minnesota    3-9-1   .500    PHI  8-5-0    @CIN  9-4-0     DET  7-6-0
5. Oakland      4-9-0   .476    KC  10-3-0    @SD   6-7-0     DEN 11-2-0
6. Jacksonville 4-9-0   .503    BUF  4-9-0     TEN  5-8-0    @IND  8-5-0
7. Cleveland    4-9-0   .527    CHI  6-6-0    @NYJ  6-7-0    @PIT  5-8-0
8. Buffalo      4-9-0   .533   @JAX  4-9-0     MIA  7-6-0    @NE  10-3-0
9. Tampa Bay    4-9-0   .562    SF   9-4-0    @STL  5-8-0    @NO  10-3-0

Washington and Atlanta play each other on Sunday so that helps our cause, but we got some teams with tough schedules sneaking up behind us. I'm looking at you Oakland, you sneaky bastards. And no I'm not a tanker, I'd like to see the Vikings win out, but it doesn't hurt to keep your eye on a consolation prize. All I want for xmas is a new coaching staff.

[mondry]

Well the Redskins have pretty much quit on all fronts, even the coach is doing what he can to try and get fired rather than quit and unless he gets his wish, I don't see them winning another game.

With Kubiak fired maybe Houston can win 2 of their 3, IND looks vulnerable and TEN isn't that great.

Atlanta will beat Washington so that bumps us up.

Most likely finish #3.