Vikings QB Kellen Mond test positive for COVID; three QBs including Kirk Cousins expected to miss practice

[CharVike]

That's exactly how I looked at it and some can't see it. Let Jones sit for a year and then you have the chance to trade Cousins or even Jones for greater value than you used.

You wanted to trade 3 1sts, Kirk Cousins and Barr for a guy who could sit this year, then either have him take over for Cousins, trading Cousins once again, or trade him for more than we spent?

Something doesn't seem right about that scenario...

You and me have different takes on the value of QBs. You read stuff and Cousins is labeled a loser and yes he kept us out of the playoffs last year that can't be denied. He got us back from a horrible start which of course he caused. He let the Saints beat us 52 to something. To the media that was him being his typical loser self. You believe that. That game wasn't going to be won by any QB that ever played the game. Yes I wanted to trade 3 1st rounders and players you have pointed that out many times. The QB draft master Speilman didn't do it. At the end Jones fell in our laps and Speilman wet his pants and chickened out. That was no cost but our pick and you can't see that. That would have been my pick. Jones may suck but no risk it no biscuit. Bill B want for the risk it. The 49ers want for the risk it when they traded and they have a Super Bowl QB on the roster. We don't. And no Bill B doesn't have some magical way. This stiff Stidham sucks. Were is that magical or Patriot way with him? Newton sucks and it's not working on him either. If we pick Jones and a team needs a QB big time you can get much more than what you paid. The Steelers come to mind. So does Bill B because he has nothing without Jones. You and Speilman saw no value in Jones at the 14th slot. I saw value. The odds of Jones being a stiff are better than him being a HOFer. I know that. Of course if he gets a rookie chance and plays decent it will be that's because of the Patriot way. That's BS. Jones has top level talent. He played big games in a big time environment. He proved to handle the pressure. He didn't crumble. Some can't see that. Of course non of this will seem right. I know the value of QBs. I've seen us go through bum after bum from Dr Cuozzo on up. Some had a good year or games but nothing long term like the Pack have done.

[StumpHunter]

You wanted to trade 3 1sts, Kirk Cousins and Barr for a guy who could sit this year, then either have him take over for Cousins, trading Cousins once again, or trade him for more than we spent?

Something doesn't seem right about that scenario...

You and me have different takes on the value of QBs. You read stuff and Cousins is labeled a loser and yes he kept us out of the playoffs last year that can't be denied. He got us back from a horrible start which of course he caused. He let the Saints beat us 52 to something. To the media that was him being his typical loser self. You believe that. That game wasn't going to be won by any QB that ever played the game. Yes I wanted to trade 3 1st rounders and players you have pointed that out many times. The QB draft master Speilman didn't do it. At the end Jones fell in our laps and Speilman wet his pants and chickened out. That was no cost but our pick and you can't see that. That would have been my pick. Jones may suck but no risk it no biscuit. Bill B want for the risk it. The 49ers want for the risk it when they traded and they have a Super Bowl QB on the roster. We don't. And no Bill B doesn't have some magical way. This stiff Stidham sucks. Were is that magical or Patriot way with him? Newton sucks and it's not working on him either. If we pick Jones and a team needs a QB big time you can get much more than what you paid. The Steelers come to mind. So does Bill B because he has nothing without Jones. You and Speilman saw no value in Jones at the 14th slot. I saw value. The odds of Jones being a stiff are better than him being a HOFer. I know that. Of course if he gets a rookie chance and plays decent it will be that's because of the Patriot way. That's BS. Jones has top level talent. He played big games in a big time environment. He proved to handle the pressure. He didn't crumble. Some can't see that. Of course non of this will seem right. I know the value of QBs. I've seen us go through bum after bum from Dr Cuozzo on up. Some had a good year or games but nothing long term like the Pack have done.

I don't even care that you wanted to give up a lot more than was needed to get Jones and I agree with the premise that if you believe a great QB is available, you do everything in your power to get him.

My issue is that you wanted to do that and still claim Cousins is a great QB. No one who truly believes their current QB is actually great wants to trade them away plus give up 3 1sts and a starting LBer for an unproven rookie.

[VikingsVictorious]

Sorry, buddy, but I have been working in the hospital treating people since this pandemic started. Putting my life at risk daily. I have 2 decades of training and almost 3 decades of experience in medicine. My "opinion" is actually medical fact and experience. Non-Vaccinators are now the main problem behind this pandemic. It is a Confederacy of Dunces. 99% of the people dying and in the ICUs are the unvaccinated. Simple undeniable fact. Be part of the solution and get your damn vaccines.....dont BE the problem.

I doubt you were treating people in a hospital, I am sure you are a janitor cleaning in the hospital, nice try though!

What is your problem?

[TheCoolerOne]

I doubt you were treating people in a hospital, I am sure you are a janitor cleaning in the hospital, nice try though!

What is your problem?

I suspect Moss84 would have been banned a while back if so many people didn’t already have him on their ignored users list, it’s the only reason I can surmise as to why he continues to exist.

Look at any of his posts.

One might call it trolling, but trolling at least requires some nuance, and there is none of that in any of his “additions” to this board.

He takes baseless, thoughtless, antagonistic positions on absolutely everything, slides into another position after the argument collapses on him, and continues to stick out his tongue from the bus window.

The only time anyone replies to him is when they simply can’t let something he’s said stand, and it goes nowhere because he has no basis for his claims, so he avoids engaging.

He is the message board manifestation of “I Like Turtles”

[S197]

Since PHP mentioned fertility as hesitation for getting vaccinated, I thought I would share this. There are currently no signs the vaccine harms fertility but we do know that covid itself can. Not trying to force judgement or single out anyone, just information.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -function/#

Chicagopurple, I'm sorry for your losses. Thank you for all of your tireless work.

Stay safe all.

[YikesVikes]

A list of my coworkers that have died while serving fellow US citizens who are ill: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/947304

This is as of 3/2021 so there are far more then the 3,000 listed here. I personally have lost healthy friends, co-workers family members, and fellow doctors and nurses from covid. Still, we go back to work every day and expose ourselves to the vax/mask deniers who knowing continue to create this mess.
As of today, our regional hospitals are beginning to get completely full ICUs in Tx MS, AK etc shipping us patients because their ICUs are overflowing. Soon we too will be full and will turn their patients away. 99% of these patients are unvaccinated. There is no controversy. Covid began as a natural Disaster, Now it is Natural Selection.

Of course, no one should be diminishing the significance those deaths, or the people who survive but with more serious longterm health consequences. Obviously, Covid is a real thing and people will die from covid. And of course, if we take all these numbers at face value, they are very emotionally impactful as each of those lives is precious (even those who were unvaccinated), but put in context, there are 22 million health care workers in the USA. I'll let you do the math.

At the end of the day, we are going to have to put on our big boy pants and stop running around like chicken little, because even once the vaccine is mandated and we get close to 100 percent vaccination, we will still have new variants, waning efficiency of the vaccine, the need for boosters, and thousands of people dying from covid. Partly, I think the hope that we can 'end' this drives a kind of moral fanaticism, but reality is going to smack that hope in the face.

As a reminder, those people and the 632,000 others that have died in a year and a half, are despite unprecedented efforts to save lives. Had this been ignored like so many of our community wanted, our numbers would have been an even larger catastrophe. So 632K lives lost despite us doing everything to prevent it. 3000 lives lost despite the knowledge and extensive medical training among staff.

Now I watch Pandemic and Zombie movies and laugh at the scenes of the vaccine breakthroughs and everyone rejoicing cause mankind is saved. Lol, in the real world, we would refuse the Outbreak Monkey vaccine and question if it was safe to take. The closest movie to real life is Contagion because people started listening to the crazy guy spreading false information for his own profit.

[vikeinmontana]

That is just your opinion

Sorry, buddy, but I have been working in the hospital treating people since this pandemic started. Putting my life at risk daily.

Thank you for your service. Sincerely.

You are in the same boat as other “essential” workers such as Costco and Walmart employees, teachers and gas station attendants. So many people have put their lives on the line through this ordeal.

Thank god the vast majority of us all will get through it.

I feel maybe even worse for those that lost their homes and jobs within the lockdown, but most of all tor all the kids who are getting completely crushed and ignored.

But I truly am thankful for all those putting their lives at risk every day to get us through this pandemic.

[CharVike]

You and me have different takes on the value of QBs. You read stuff and Cousins is labeled a loser and yes he kept us out of the playoffs last year that can't be denied. He got us back from a horrible start which of course he caused. He let the Saints beat us 52 to something. To the media that was him being his typical loser self. You believe that. That game wasn't going to be won by any QB that ever played the game. Yes I wanted to trade 3 1st rounders and players you have pointed that out many times. The QB draft master Speilman didn't do it. At the end Jones fell in our laps and Speilman wet his pants and chickened out. That was no cost but our pick and you can't see that. That would have been my pick. Jones may suck but no risk it no biscuit. Bill B want for the risk it. The 49ers want for the risk it when they traded and they have a Super Bowl QB on the roster. We don't. And no Bill B doesn't have some magical way. This stiff Stidham sucks. Were is that magical or Patriot way with him? Newton sucks and it's not working on him either. If we pick Jones and a team needs a QB big time you can get much more than what you paid. The Steelers come to mind. So does Bill B because he has nothing without Jones. You and Speilman saw no value in Jones at the 14th slot. I saw value. The odds of Jones being a stiff are better than him being a HOFer. I know that. Of course if he gets a rookie chance and plays decent it will be that's because of the Patriot way. That's BS. Jones has top level talent. He played big games in a big time environment. He proved to handle the pressure. He didn't crumble. Some can't see that. Of course non of this will seem right. I know the value of QBs. I've seen us go through bum after bum from Dr Cuozzo on up. Some had a good year or games but nothing long term like the Pack have done.

I don't even care that you wanted to give up a lot more than was needed to get Jones and I agree with the premise that if you believe a great QB is available, you do everything in your power to get him.

My issue is that you wanted to do that and still claim Cousins is a great QB. No one who truly believes their current QB is actually great wants to trade them away plus give up 3 1sts and a starting LBer for an unproven rookie.

Again you miss the big picture. I said Cousins will not make the HOF. That's certainly not a great QB. I also said he's the best since Fran. Since we have nothing in the hole we will need to resign Cousins and that will be in the 55+ CAP range hit. When a QB falls to you that pick needs to be made. Dallas had Morton and still picked Stauback. Not because Morton sucked it's the right move to make for stability of the team. Morton was then traded for picks to add players. QBs are worth a ton because if you hit a team is golden and the NFL as a whole is starving for them. We skipped on Rodgers because we had some supposedly great QB and have played catch up ever since. Plus with a guy in the hole we can deal Cousins and get a bunch of picks and some players. We need that because our roster is thin. Our best CB is on the decline and our former 1st round CB was cut. So much for a 1st round pick. Otherwise Cousins bolts and we get nothing. That's a horrible spot to be in and it must be avoided and we had the chance with our own pick. No trade was needed and you conveniently forget that. Speilman who doesn't have a stellar track record drafting QBs missed a golden opportunity. Of course Jones may suck that's always a possibility. The 1st overall pick may suck I've seen that one also. It don't matter at this point. It's the guy I wanted drafted. I also wanted Kendrick Green and he might be a bum. Time will tell.

[StumpHunter]

I don't even care that you wanted to give up a lot more than was needed to get Jones and I agree with the premise that if you believe a great QB is available, you do everything in your power to get him.

My issue is that you wanted to do that and still claim Cousins is a great QB. No one who truly believes their current QB is actually great wants to trade them away plus give up 3 1sts and a starting LBer for an unproven rookie.

Plus with a guy in the hole we can deal Cousins and get a bunch of picks and some players. We need that because our roster is thin.

You wanted to trade him + 3 1sts for Jones. You can't do that and then trade him again for multiple picks.

You wanted an upgrade for Cousins because you knew he wasn't good enough, but since we didn't get one, you are now backtracking.

[CharVike]

Plus with a guy in the hole we can deal Cousins and get a bunch of picks and some players. We need that because our roster is thin.

You wanted to trade him + 3 1sts for Jones. You can't do that and then trade him again for multiple picks.

You wanted an upgrade for Cousins because you knew he wasn't good enough, but since we didn't get one, you are now backtracking.

What are you talking about. There was no need to make a trade. Jones was there at pick 14. Has nothing to do with the current QB. QBs are to important to let them pass by. When they are there make the pick. We did the same mistake with Rodgers. You can't see that. You can't comprehend what actually happened. Look it up Jones was there at our pick. You keep bring up some trade I suggested. Yes this stiff Barr would be gone. This stiff Gladney would be gone. Yes Cousins would be gone. But we could have a potentially dam good QB playing for nothing which puts us in the FA market and allows us to sign our best defensive player Hunter easily. Again there was no need to make the trade I suggested. Jones was available at our pick number 14. Also I have said Jones could easily become a bust and be on the street in a few years. I don't think that will happen because the guy has top level talent IMO. The 1st overall pick could bust. This Lance guy who is already penciled in as a HOFer could bust. Not all these QBs picked in round one will become great players. Some will be bust, some will be backups, some will be stars. It always works that way. The best QB draft in my time was 1983 and Blacklege from Penn St was a bust and a top 10 pick. Imagine that a 1st round QB bust. We had many of those. Get off the trade stuff. Talk about what happened. Jones was there at our pick and Speilman bailed out. Has nothing to do with Cousins. Has to do with position value but you can't recognize that. I do. QBs are worth their weight in gold. Career backup Kennum was paid a fortune as a backup player. That cost Elway.

[StumpHunter]

You wanted to trade him + 3 1sts for Jones. You can't do that and then trade him again for multiple picks.

You wanted an upgrade for Cousins because you knew he wasn't good enough, but since we didn't get one, you are now backtracking.

What are you talking about. There was no need to make a trade. Jones was there at pick 14. Has nothing to do with the current QB. QBs are to important to let them pass by. When they are there make the pick. We did the same mistake with Rodgers. You can't see that. You can't comprehend what actually happened. Look it up Jones was there at our pick. You keep bring up some trade I suggested. Yes this stiff Barr would be gone. This stiff Gladney would be gone. Yes Cousins would be gone. But we could have a potentially dam good QB playing for nothing which puts us in the FA market and allows us to sign our best defensive player Hunter easily. Again there was no need to make the trade I suggested. Jones was available at our pick number 14. Also I have said Jones could easily become a bust and be on the street in a few years. I don't think that will happen because the guy has top level talent IMO. The 1st overall pick could bust. This Lance guy who is already penciled in as a HOFer could bust. Not all these QBs picked in round one will become great players. Some will be bust, some will be backups, some will be stars. It always works that way. The best QB draft in my time was 1983 and Blacklege from Penn St was a bust and a top 10 pick. Imagine that a 1st round QB bust. We had many of those. Get off the trade stuff. Talk about what happened. Jones was there at our pick and Speilman bailed out. Has nothing to do with Cousins. Has to do with position value but you can't recognize that. I do. QBs are worth their weight in gold. Career backup Kennum was paid a fortune as a backup player. That cost Elway.

You stated before the draft that you wanted to trade Cousins and 3 1sts for Jones. You are now claiming you only wanted to draft Jones because then you could trade Cousins for more picks. Those two statements completely contradict each other. The first shows your true feelings about Cousins, the second is what you have convinced yourself is true because you know we are stuck with our QB.

[CharVike]

What are you talking about. There was no need to make a trade. Jones was there at pick 14. Has nothing to do with the current QB. QBs are to important to let them pass by. When they are there make the pick. We did the same mistake with Rodgers. You can't see that. You can't comprehend what actually happened. Look it up Jones was there at our pick. You keep bring up some trade I suggested. Yes this stiff Barr would be gone. This stiff Gladney would be gone. Yes Cousins would be gone. But we could have a potentially dam good QB playing for nothing which puts us in the FA market and allows us to sign our best defensive player Hunter easily. Again there was no need to make the trade I suggested. Jones was available at our pick number 14. Also I have said Jones could easily become a bust and be on the street in a few years. I don't think that will happen because the guy has top level talent IMO. The 1st overall pick could bust. This Lance guy who is already penciled in as a HOFer could bust. Not all these QBs picked in round one will become great players. Some will be bust, some will be backups, some will be stars. It always works that way. The best QB draft in my time was 1983 and Blacklege from Penn St was a bust and a top 10 pick. Imagine that a 1st round QB bust. We had many of those. Get off the trade stuff. Talk about what happened. Jones was there at our pick and Speilman bailed out. Has nothing to do with Cousins. Has to do with position value but you can't recognize that. I do. QBs are worth their weight in gold. Career backup Kennum was paid a fortune as a backup player. That cost Elway.

You stated before the draft that you wanted to trade Cousins and 3 1sts for Jones. You are now claiming you only wanted to draft Jones because then you could trade Cousins for more picks. Those two statements completely contradict each other. The first shows your true feelings about Cousins, the second is what you have convinced yourself is true because you know we are stuck with our QB.

Again you missed it. When a top ranked QB falls to your slot make the pick regardless of what you have. That opens up many options. QB is the most valuable position in the game. They fly off the board during the draft. Cousins gives us the best chance to win at this point. You think Cousins blows and is the only reason why we suck right now. How many pro GMs were chasing him when he was a FA. They were all throwing big money at him. But these pros don't know anything. Only you with your opinion that he blows knows everything. We have zero chance this year if our D plays like it did last year. Zero regardless of the QB. We are also limited from a junk OL. Your claim that Brady made the Buc OL play good is a bunch of BS. They were good before he got there. There D is very good. Teams don't pound the ball down their throats at will. The say no to the run game. Zims D says take what you want. But that's Cousins fault. We are not stuck with any player. The Packers picked a 1st round QB so they must think Rodgers sucks. No they understand the value of QB better than most teams. That's why they have had back to back great QBs. They want to keep that going. Speilman can't pick a good QB he proved it again this year.

[StumpHunter]

You stated before the draft that you wanted to trade Cousins and 3 1sts for Jones. You are now claiming you only wanted to draft Jones because then you could trade Cousins for more picks. Those two statements completely contradict each other. The first shows your true feelings about Cousins, the second is what you have convinced yourself is true because you know we are stuck with our QB.

You think Cousins blows and is the only reason why we suck right now. How many pro GMs were chasing him when he was a FA. They were all throwing big money at him.

I don't think Cousins blows and I don't think he is the reason we sucked last year (we won't suck this year). I think he is an average QB who isn't good enough, which is the same opinion as the person who wanted to move on from him at the cost of him, 3 1sts and Anthony Barr. Deep down you know he isn't good enough or you don't propose that trade.

There were only 2 GMs who threw money at Cousins. The NY Jets GM who was one of the worst GMs in that franchises history (which is saying a lot), and a GM who thought giving up 1sts for Christian Ponder and Sam Bradford was a good idea. Every other GM felt the asking price was way too high and every other GM was right.

[Rhodes Closed]

Sorry, buddy, but I have been working in the hospital treating people since this pandemic started. Putting my life at risk daily. I have 2 decades of training and almost 3 decades of experience in medicine. My "opinion" is actually medical fact and experience. Non-Vaccinators are now the main problem behind this pandemic. It is a Confederacy of Dunces. 99% of the people dying and in the ICUs are the unvaccinated. Simple undeniable fact. Be part of the solution and get your damn vaccines.....dont BE the problem.

I doubt you were treating people in a hospital, I am sure you are a janitor cleaning in the hospital, nice try though!

Congrats. You've now mad a complete #### of yourself on the world wide web. How's it feel to be so utterly useless that you have to put down other people's private lives in an effort just to feel justified.

Do yourself a favor and just never come back.

[chicagopurple]

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota ... k-cousins/

He isnt one to get easily frustrated/concerned (like me after 45+ yrs)