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Kapp, if that scenario plays out I might light myself on fire.J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:42 am This one is sure to start a firestorm ... just call me "The Arson."
This is what I love about the offseason (one of the few things I love about it).Daily Norseman wrote:In the name of rampant speculation and total conjecture, however, Bill Barnwell of ESPN has put together a scenario where the Vikings do not go into 2020 with Cousins behind center, and instead get themselves a reunion with Teddy Bridgewater instead.
Barnwell has a look at how eight star NFL players could have wide-ranging effects on the rest of the league, depending on who they sign with. One of those players is quarterback Philip Rivers, who will be parting ways with the Los Angeles Chargers and heading into free agency. Here’s how Barnwell’s scenario works:
1. Rivers signs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to take over as their starting quarterback, with the Bucs letting Jameis Winston go.
2. Minnesota then trades Cousins to the Chargers for a second-round pick in this year’s NFL Draft.
3. The Vikings then turn around and sign Bridgewater to a “$100 million deal.” I’m assuming that’s for four years, though Barnwell doesn’t specify. It would still put his cap figure for 2020 below what Cousins would be making.
You may now light each other on fire.
There is way too much smoke for there not to be some fire. We've been hearing this for a long time, and Diggs has not shut it down. He just speaks in riddles. Sad, but if it happens I hope we gain something positive out of it.J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:58 pm And now ... as I speculated weeks ago and was nearly laughed off the board ...
This is all over Twitter. Word is that Diggs is unhappy and wants out.On his show today, Colin Cowherd has suggested that the #Vikings are looking to "move on" from wide receiver Stefon Diggs.
Obviously nothing has happened yet, but if it does ... well, I promise I won’t say I told ya so.
The main thing is we need to get some value for him. What that is I don't know. It all depends on how many teams want him. That will tell the story. If he goes WR becomes a must have. It might be anyway. A rookie won't be the answer so forget that route. But money will be freed up and we will need to hit FA or look for a trade.Dames wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:38 amThere is way too much smoke for there not to be some fire. We've been hearing this for a long time, and Diggs has not shut it down. He just speaks in riddles. Sad, but if it happens I hope we gain something positive out of it.J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:58 pm And now ... as I speculated weeks ago and was nearly laughed off the board ...
This is all over Twitter. Word is that Diggs is unhappy and wants out.
Obviously nothing has happened yet, but if it does ... well, I promise I won’t say I told ya so.
Man, if Spielman could swing a 1st and a 2nd for Diggs, do that deal. That is a no-brainer.J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:42 pm If that’s not worth a first-round pick, at minimum, then I don’t know what is. During the season last year, rumor was a first and a second. Teams are more desperate during the season than in the offseason, but that gives us a gauge of where he is as far as value is concerned.
If you are replacing him with AJ or Cooper that is one thing (you won't be), but we need to improve on last season, not just manage with Adam Theilen.J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:42 pm He is a back-to-back 1,000-yard receiver. He averaged more than 17 yards per reception. He’s among the elite in the NFL at contested catches. He’s stayed healthy the past two seasons. And as far as receivers with his credentials go, he’s relatively cheap.
If that’s not worth a first-round pick, at minimum, then I don’t know what is. During the season last year, rumor was a first and a second. Teams are more desperate during the season than in the offseason, but that gives us a gauge of where he is as far as value is concerned.
To me, it wouldn’t be the end of the world to trade him, especially if he’s disgruntled. There are some good receivers on the FA market this year. I’d take a chance on A.J. Green in a short-term deal, or try to pry Amari Cooper from Dallas. And the draft capital could be used to bolster both the defensive backfield and the offensive line with cheap talent. We managed to get along without Adam Thielen last year. We can get along without Diggs.
He struggled in preseason which is why they brought in Bridgewater but I wouldn't mind giving him a shot. To be clear, this is based on the scenario Kapp presented where Cousins is dealt for a 2nd. I'd rather grab Hill with that 2nd (if that's the tender) and the $8M or so he'll make vs Teddy who I think has the potential to command more than $20M.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:59 pmHill is a gadget player, not a QB. I would like him on the Vikings too, but in the same way the Saints use him, in the run game and as a TE and as an emergency QB.S197 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:29 pm If we're taking a saints QB I would prefer Taysom Hill. Even if he crashed and burned at QB, he's versatile enough that he can be used in many different ways on offense. Of course it all depends on what tender the Saints place on him. And of course the extremely unlikely event Cousins is dealt but I would do that over the trading for Teddy scenario.
Is it possible he’s not really special because he’s had Vikings quarterbacks throwing to him?VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:51 pmMan, if Spielman could swing a 1st and a 2nd for Diggs, do that deal. That is a no-brainer.J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:42 pm If that’s not worth a first-round pick, at minimum, then I don’t know what is. During the season last year, rumor was a first and a second. Teams are more desperate during the season than in the offseason, but that gives us a gauge of where he is as far as value is concerned.
I personally think he wouldn't fetch more than a high 2nd. He's a good receiver, but he's not really special.
Rather than my previous satirical post, let’s look at this from a comparative standpoint.VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:51 pmMan, if Spielman could swing a 1st and a 2nd for Diggs, do that deal. That is a no-brainer.J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:42 pm If that’s not worth a first-round pick, at minimum, then I don’t know what is. During the season last year, rumor was a first and a second. Teams are more desperate during the season than in the offseason, but that gives us a gauge of where he is as far as value is concerned.
I personally think he wouldn't fetch more than a high 2nd. He's a good receiver, but he's not really special.
Well when you put it like that...J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:33 pmRather than my previous satirical post, let’s look at this from a comparative standpoint.VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:51 pm
Man, if Spielman could swing a 1st and a 2nd for Diggs, do that deal. That is a no-brainer.
I personally think he wouldn't fetch more than a high 2nd. He's a good receiver, but he's not really special.
The Raiders traded Amari Cooper to Dallas after 3+ seasons in Oakland. Over his four seasons, he had 225 catches for 3,183 yards and 19 TDs. Oakland received a first-round draft choice.
In 2013, the Vikings traded Percy Harvin to Seattle for a first, a third, and a seventh. Harvin had played four seasons in Minnesota, compiling 280 receptions for 3,382 yards and 20 TDs.
Stefon Diggs’ first four seasons ... 302 receptions, 3,493 yards and 24 TDs. Yes, better than both Cooper and Harvin.
If Rick Spielman accepts anything less than a first for Diggs (and probably more) he should be fired.
Exactly. Couldn't agree more.VikingLord wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:11 pmWell when you put it like that...J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:33 pm
Rather than my previous satirical post, let’s look at this from a comparative standpoint.
The Raiders traded Amari Cooper to Dallas after 3+ seasons in Oakland. Over his four seasons, he had 225 catches for 3,183 yards and 19 TDs. Oakland received a first-round draft choice.
In 2013, the Vikings traded Percy Harvin to Seattle for a first, a third, and a seventh. Harvin had played four seasons in Minnesota, compiling 280 receptions for 3,382 yards and 20 TDs.
Stefon Diggs’ first four seasons ... 302 receptions, 3,493 yards and 24 TDs. Yes, better than both Cooper and Harvin.
If Rick Spielman accepts anything less than a first for Diggs (and probably more) he should be fired.
Diggs to me is kind of an enigma. The stats certainly suggest he should fetch at least as much as Cooper did. Harvin was kind of unique in that he did a lot more than just catch passes. He was also effectively a hybrid running back and he returned kicks and did all of that extremely well.
But when I think about Diggs, he just doesn't jump off the page the same way Cooper and Harvin did. That is obviously unfair and highly subjective given the objectively better stats he has. He is by all measures better than those players.
In a strange way, that works in the Vikings favor. If Spielman can't get sufficient value there is no reason to trade him. I'm not exactly sure what Diggs' issue is, but unless he's threatening to hold out or something to try to force a move there really isn't any pressing reason to ship him. Spielman shouldn't consider making any trades that don't grossly favor the Vikings.