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It was stated I believe, in the press that the Seattle outburst was about benching Ponder. I don't recall the cause of the latter tirade was speculated upon as strongly in the press. It's all speculative, as was my conjecture about the second tirade regarding Ponder. I prefaced it with "quite possible," which allows uncertainty in my argument tying Percy's unhappiness to Ponder.

CalVike wrote:It was stated I believe, in the press that the Seattle outburst was about benching Ponder.

I've seen nothing but conjecture about that so if anybody knows of a report that definitively makes that claim, I'd be interested in seeing it (not that you need to go looking for one).

I don't recall the cause of the latter tirade was speculated upon as strongly in the press. It's all speculative, as was my conjecture about the second tirade regarding Ponder. I prefaced it with "quite possible," which allows uncertainty in my argument tying Percy's unhappiness to Ponder.

I took note of that.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... rvin-trade

Another Harvin trade article with "sources" referring to Harvins "november meltdown"...

Here's an article mentioning a possible trade as well.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... 14531.html

Crax wrote:Here's an article mentioning a possible trade as well.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... 14531.html

That was a great, well-balanced read. Thanks for the link.

The bottom line remains that nobody knows what will happen. A trade is possible. A new contract and a long term deal with the Vikings is possible. Harvin and the team might be fine with each other or there may be all sorts of trouble brewing. We just don't know. The parties involved have good reasons not to give definitive answers and so speculation will go an and on until something definitive happens. After all, Vikings writers have column lines to fill and us fans like us need something to talk about while wait for the combine and free agency to begin.

AADPFan wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... rvin-trade

Another Harvin trade article with "sources" referring to Harvins "november meltdown"...

Thanks for the link. I'm glad the writer included this:

While local beat writers have speculated that Harvin would go on the trade block this offseason, it's worth noting that none has backed Max's report of irreconcilable differences.

This was interesting too:

Any team dealing for Harvin will have to pony up for an extension, likely more than $10 million per season. Considering his baggage, an NFL personnel man estimated that Harvin would fetch just a second- or third-round pick in return. One writer covering the Vikings bets the New England Patriots will go after Harvin, as head coach Bill Belichick "loves" the league's premier slot receiver.

If Harvin is indeed on the market -- as suggested by quarterback Christian Ponder's past-tense comments a month ago -- Belichick will have plenty of company in his hot pursuit.

Hmmm... if there's "plenty of company" that could raise the possibility of getting more than just a second round or third pick in return.

The stuff about the past-tense comment is laughable and indicative of just how much some of these sportswriters are trying to read tea leaves when they have no real information.

Crax wrote:Here's an article mentioning a possible trade as well.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... 14531.html

That's actually one of the better articles I've read about the Harvin situation. This part is interesting...

“I told (Percy Harvin) how much I love him and want him to be a part of our team,” Frazier told KFAN’s Dan Barreiro in a Feb. 3 interview. “And all those things that he hears in questions that are asked to me about his future in Minnesota, I mean I want him to play for our team. I don’t want him to play for anyone else. And I tried to put that to rest with him. So he’s clear on how I feel. And we have great respect for one another and hope that things will be great next season.”

Not much speculation from Frazier on that one. If he means what he says, then we know the head coach wants Percy on the team.

Okay, for argument's sake, if Harvin does get traded, then the Vikings better have an absolute great plan to replace him. The last thing this team's offense needs is another reduction, especially a big one, in the talent of its passing game.

Unless we get a decent receiver in return I think that Spielman would be nuts to take anything other than at least a LOW second I would expect a first even as an outside shot if multiple teams are gunning... I would be extremely upset if it was a third or high second in a straight trade for percy

PurpleJarl wrote:Unless we get a decent receiver in return I think that Spielman would be nuts to take anything other than at least a LOW second I would expect a first even as an outside shot if multiple teams are gunning... I would be extremely upset if it was a third or high second in a straight trade for percy

I think he's gone, we've seen this picture too many times before. But a draft pic in return is all but useless, unless we sign another one of the 4 major FA WR out there.

Mothman wrote: Hmmm... if there's "plenty of company" that could raise the possibility of getting more than just a second round or third pick in return.

The stuff about the past-tense comment is laughable and indicative of just how much some of these sportswriters are trying to read tea leaves when they have no real information.

Well, if the Vikings absolutely are determined to trade Harvin, then I'd love to see him go to the Patriots. The Pats will appreciate Harvin's skills and he'll do a great job for them. I'll bet Tom Brady will sure like Harvin.

I agree about the past-tense comment nonsense. That kind of melodramatic reach shows what has happened to so-called sports journalism these days.

Both Tom Pelissero and Mike Max cited multiple unnamed sources. Personally, I think either the Vikings or Harvin's camp are manipulating this story from behind the scenes by planning "leaks" to the press. For my taste, there's just too many of them for there not to be an agenda at play.

Judd Zulgad stated publicly he has a far lower bar on sourcing when reporting for 1500espn than he did when writing for the Star Tribune newspaper. Some call this the decline of civilization, but clearly the ship has sailed on sourcing standards relevant to the past in the Internet age. Newspapers are fading away with lower standards taking over.

CalVike wrote:Personally, I think either the Vikings or Harvin's camp are manipulating this story from behind the scenes by planning "leaks" to the press. For my taste, there's just too many of them for there not to be an agenda at play.

That makes zero sense. These stories only lower Harvin's trade value and his earning potential. If someone has an agenda, it's neither of those camps.

Eli wrote: That makes zero sense. These stories only lower Harvin's trade value and his earning potential. If someone has an agenda, it's neither of those camps.

I could not disagree more. The stories are making it totally clear to the whole NFL that a player who is one of the toughest players to defend in the NFL may be available by trade. Both sides benefit by this market being created.

I could be wrong, but I give Tom Pelissero and Mike Max some credit. If they cite multiple sources, I believe they are talking to one of the camps. If they are speculating they state as much. If they cite multiple sources then I believe they are talking to someone. It could be other NFL sources outside the camps but seems unlikely to me. Just my speculation.

If they guy can't function and be part of the team he needs to go ..

No matter how talented a player is .. he needs to be part of the team

CalVike wrote: I could not disagree more. The stories are making it totally clear to the whole NFL that a player who is one of the toughest players to defend in the NFL may be available by trade. Both sides benefit by this market being created.

If a team wants to let other teams know that someone is available, they tell them. It's not that complicated. All it takes is a call from Spielman to a couple of GMs or personnel guys and the whole league soon knows about it. Spreading rumors that a player is difficult to handle only lowers his trade value, no matter what his talents may be.

Meanwhile, the Harvin camp also loses for the same reasons. If the Vikings don't have an interest in trading him, making other teams think he's available serves no purpose. And again, lowering his trade value and his market worth also work against their best interest if a trade away from the Vikings is actually what they want. If they want a trade, they have to convince the Vikings first and foremost, and they need to paint Harvin in the best light possible to other teams.