Day 2 draft rounds 2,3

[CharVike]

Summary of the Vikings 3rd round picks:

- Kellen Mond. Good developmental QB prospect. Undeniable physical ability, and a multi-threat capable player who can move, keep plays alive with his feet by escaping pressure, and can pick up yards on the ground. Mond has struggled with consistency throughout his college career, both in terms of accuracy and decision-making. If he can smooth out his game I could see him developing into an impact starter. If he can't then he'll likely be a journeyman backup. I think we'll know more about where he's at in terms of development when it comes time to extend Cousins again. If the Vikings don't extend Kirk, then they like where Mond is at. If they do, then Mond isn't showing them what they need to see. This was a good pick, but it will also be interesting to see how Trask and Mills do over time compared to Mond.

- Chazz Surratt. Very athletic player. Classic Spielman mid-round pick with a high ceiling if he develops. He compares to a guy like Shaq Thompson of the Panthers and has a shot at getting on the field immediately at weakside LB. He'll need to continue to develop quickly, but he's in an almost ideal spot to do so and if he pans out all this angst I see about picking him is going to disappear quickly.

- Wyatt Davis. I thought Davis would go at the top of Round 2, so getting him in the middle 3rd is amazing value. Davis is a leader on the field. He's got enough size to hold up at the point of attack but he also moves very well. I think Davis wins the starting LG role and slots in next to Darrisaw to start this season. I don't think the Vikings need to look back from there. Davis is the pick in this round that I have the most confidence will become a regular starter and long-term player for the Vikings.

- Patrick Jones. Jones is another high ceiling Spielman classic mid-rounder. He has a great motor. He's going to bring everything he's got on every play and will chase sideline to sideline all game. If Jones can develop physically by putting on good weight and adding functional strength along with refining his technique, he can become a complete impact DE as a pro. That won't happen quickly, so the impact of this pick likely won't show up for another 2 or so seasons.

Like many on this thread, I question some of the decisions that were made, like not moving up to snag Trask and/or choosing Mond over Mills, and passing on Ronnie Perkins who looked like a pretty solid choice at DE. Others passed on him too as some noted, but that is a decision that might come back to haunt those teams. We'll see if Spielman and Zimmer guessed right on some of these picks.

Thanks for the write up. Mond and Mills are nothing to get excited about but I like Mills better. I think he has better passing skills. He doesn't have the movement but I'm not a big fan of that anyway. Eventually you need to pass. I think we could have picked a better player in that spot than any of those two. I liked the Davis and Jones pick. Davis could be starting very quickly. Much like Ezra. Surratt is an interesting prospect. Someone suggest a hybrid role which would be great. I do think he can help with chasing these running QBs all over the field. Now with Fields we will need that twice a year at a minimum.

[VikingsVictorious]

I haven't watched Surratt game film yet, but these highlights show that he is equally talented at rushing the passer and covering the receiver. I like what I see, but just highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcoHCUFrVHI

[S197]

I was thinking about this the other day, I wonder if Mond can help our defense improve. It's one of those weird ancillary benefits but think about it, we've basically had UDFA's and journeymen QB's running our scout team. It's a bit tough to mimic Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson with guys like Browning, Stanley and Mannion. But a guy who is mobile with a great arm? He might do a better job.

[Foreman44]

Assuming Rodgers is gone Mel is already declaring Fields to be the best QB in the NFC North. Whatever idiot.

Fields is going to be a bust, Mel is an idiot

And getting paid all those-big dollars getting people to believe his players views.. When the majority of us could pick or mock as well

[Foreman44]

Anyone concerned about Mond's inability to throw outside the numbers?

I wanted Mills. Mond has a scatter arm. They went back to back so time will tell.

Maybe no realistic importance.

Twice I recall Mond playing QB vs Alabama...He plays Bama as tough as any qb. Maybe Trask in the SEC Championship game.

[CharVike]

I wanted Mills. Mond has a scatter arm. They went back to back so time will tell.

Maybe no realistic importance.

Twice I recall Mond playing QB vs Alabama...He plays Bama as tough as any qb. Maybe Trask in the SEC Championship game.

Trask actually hung tough against Bama. He kept them in the game and didn't pack it in. Sabin looked shocked. Mond has as good of a chance as any of these later picked QBs. At least he's not a Thigpen type of prospect who didn't have the physical skills to even have a chance. Cousins has two years left on his deal maybe Mond takes over after that.

[Foreman44]

Maybe no realistic importance.

Twice I recall Mond playing QB vs Alabama...He plays Bama as tough as any qb. Maybe Trask in the SEC Championship game.

Trask actually hung tough against Bama. He kept them in the game and didn't pack it in. Sabin looked shocked. Mond has as good of a chance as any of these later picked QBs. At least he's not a Thigpen type of prospect who didn't have the physical skills to even have a chance. Cousins has two years left on his deal maybe Mond takes over after that.

I hope he does... Even help on some cap space.... I like Cousins. Just not sure he is the qb to drive a team to a championship. Mainly when they are down and have to come back.. He doesn't have that Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Elway, drive in him...

QBS are so hard to figure out....I think the hardest.... Why I would not be against going qb again next year. I may be high minority there... How come to guys like Leaf, Manzel, Shuler, Former LSU QB (brain farted on name.), Mirer, Couch, many other top five qbs drafted flop. Guys like Brady 6th, Dak and Wilson 3rd and 4th succeed, or a guy like Werner called in off the street working at a super market, succeed.

I do hope Mond is in the category of Dak, Wilson... But no one knows....

[StumpHunter]

Trask actually hung tough against Bama. He kept them in the game and didn't pack it in. Sabin looked shocked. Mond has as good of a chance as any of these later picked QBs. At least he's not a Thigpen type of prospect who didn't have the physical skills to even have a chance. Cousins has two years left on his deal maybe Mond takes over after that.

I hope he does... Even help on some cap space.... I like Cousins. Just not sure he is the qb to drive a team to a championship. Mainly when they are down and have to come back.. He doesn't have that Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Elway, drive in him...

QBS are so hard to figure out....I think the hardest.... Why I would not be against going qb again next year. I may be high minority there... How come to guys like Leaf, Manzel, Shuler, Former LSU QB (brain farted on name.), Mirer, Couch, many other top five qbs drafted flop. Guys like Brady 6th, Dak and Wilson 3rd and 4th succeed, or a guy like Werner called in off the street working at a super market, succeed.

I do hope Mond is in the category of Dak, Wilson... But no one knows....

I really don't think it is hard to figure out QBs. Teams know what they want out of a college QB, but the problem is what they want isn't always available, so they fool themselves into thinking a QB who doesn't fill their needs could be fixed.

Busts like Rosen and Haskins had huge red flags every GM saw, but a couple of GMs ignored them and drafted them anyway out of desperation. That desperation to find a starting QB is why you see guys like Christian Ponder and Paxton Lynch over drafted and why I was so happy Rick finally took a shot on a QB in the draft before he absolutely needed one. He identified a QB with traits he liked and drafted him instead of waiting until a draft where there might not have been a QB with traits he liked, and just going with the best of bad options.

[CharVike]

Trask actually hung tough against Bama. He kept them in the game and didn't pack it in. Sabin looked shocked. Mond has as good of a chance as any of these later picked QBs. At least he's not a Thigpen type of prospect who didn't have the physical skills to even have a chance. Cousins has two years left on his deal maybe Mond takes over after that.

I hope he does... Even help on some cap space.... I like Cousins. Just not sure he is the qb to drive a team to a championship. Mainly when they are down and have to come back.. He doesn't have that Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Elway, drive in him...

QBS are so hard to figure out....I think the hardest.... Why I would not be against going qb again next year. I may be high minority there... How come to guys like Leaf, Manzel, Shuler, Former LSU QB (brain farted on name.), Mirer, Couch, many other top five qbs drafted flop. Guys like Brady 6th, Dak and Wilson 3rd and 4th succeed, or a guy like Werner called in off the street working at a super market, succeed.

I do hope Mond is in the category of Dak, Wilson... But no one knows....

Cousins isn't close to the Rodgers, Elway, Brady ect.... That's HOF QBs. Cousins will never make the HOF. However I do like Cousins compared to the stiffs we have had like Keenum, TJack and you know all the bums. Once you get past the Andrew Luck type of talent it's almost a guess by the experts. I would put Cousins at a Jimmy G type of level. A good QB who can get to the Super Bowl if your team gets red hot at the end. In other words you can't rely on either of them to carry your team like the Packers do with Rodgers. There's no science to this stuff. Basically getting lucky. I think it comes down to the mental aspect. When getting out of college you don't know anything. With some guys getting all the fame, money and media thrown there way it's too much. Like Ryan Leaf had a hard time dealing with the pro level pressure. It crushed him mentally. Once he questioned himself it was over. Couldn't deal with failure. Werner is a beyond belief story. When he was thrown into action I thought it was the RB that was converted to QB. But the guy could throw a football with the best of them. Once he got on a roll he was unstoppable. As for Mond who knows. He's a guy that will need to develop his overall skill level. In particular his accuracy. I don't even know what causes accuracy problems. Mental? I'm getting tired of the Speilman train ride. He will do the same thing over and over. Zimmer who I think is a good coach has one way of doing things. Change is out the window. You can see the setup. The same crap he has always done. Where he is screwed on D is no shut down CB. No young Rhodes. Speilman didn't address that in the draft. He did the same crap he always does and always will. Then he said he wanted Fields. If you want a QB that bad go get him. He was there for the taking. Don't talk about it. He can't even BS anymore. Fields has played the media to a tee. All the sudden the 40 yard dash time is key. That don't mean anything. His bench press is another key. Jones runs a faster 40 than Mahomes. A better athlete who most feel can't get out of his own way. It's all media BS. With Jones when he hit the big game he threw 5 TD passes. No other guy has done that. Nobody mentions it. It's like a bad performance. Fields folds up tent and wouldn't compete and the excuses fly. His pinky hurt or some BS like that. Show some competitiveness. Trask did. He kept trying to win until the end. That's a driven player. More than likely all three of those guys will be bums. That's the easiest call. But Speilman admitting that he wanted Fields and doing nothing should have been fired right then and there.

[VikingsVictorious]

I hope he does... Even help on some cap space.... I like Cousins. Just not sure he is the qb to drive a team to a championship. Mainly when they are down and have to come back.. He doesn't have that Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Elway, drive in him...

QBS are so hard to figure out....I think the hardest.... Why I would not be against going qb again next year. I may be high minority there... How come to guys like Leaf, Manzel, Shuler, Former LSU QB (brain farted on name.), Mirer, Couch, many other top five qbs drafted flop. Guys like Brady 6th, Dak and Wilson 3rd and 4th succeed, or a guy like Werner called in off the street working at a super market, succeed.

I do hope Mond is in the category of Dak, Wilson... But no one knows....

Cousins isn't close to the Rodgers, Elway, Brady ect.... That's HOF QBs. Cousins will never make the HOF. However I do like Cousins compared to the stiffs we have had like Keenum, TJack and you know all the bums. Once you get past the Andrew Luck type of talent it's almost a guess by the experts. I would put Cousins at a Jimmy G type of level. A good QB who can get to the Super Bowl if your team gets red hot at the end. In other words you can't rely on either of them to carry your team like the Packers do with Rodgers. There's no science to this stuff. Basically getting lucky. I think it comes down to the mental aspect. When getting out of college you don't know anything. With some guys getting all the fame, money and media thrown there way it's too much. Like Ryan Leaf had a hard time dealing with the pro level pressure. It crushed him mentally. Once he questioned himself it was over. Couldn't deal with failure. Werner is a beyond belief story. When he was thrown into action I thought it was the RB that was converted to QB. But the guy could throw a football with the best of them. Once he got on a roll he was unstoppable. As for Mond who knows. He's a guy that will need to develop his overall skill level. In particular his accuracy. I don't even know what causes accuracy problems. Mental? I'm getting tired of the Speilman train ride. He will do the same thing over and over. Zimmer who I think is a good coach has one way of doing things. Change is out the window. You can see the setup. The same crap he has always done. Where he is screwed on D is no shut down CB. No young Rhodes. Speilman didn't address that in the draft. He did the same crap he always does and always will. Then he said he wanted Fields. If you want a QB that bad go get him. He was there for the taking. Don't talk about it. He can't even BS anymore. Fields has played the media to a tee. All the sudden the 40 yard dash time is key. That don't mean anything. His bench press is another key. Jones runs a faster 40 than Mahomes. A better athlete who most feel can't get out of his own way. It's all media BS. With Jones when he hit the big game he threw 5 TD passes. No other guy has done that. Nobody mentions it. It's like a bad performance. Fields folds up tent and wouldn't compete and the excuses fly. His pinky hurt or some BS like that. Show some competitiveness. Trask did. He kept trying to win until the end. That's a driven player. More than likely all three of those guys will be bums. That's the easiest call. But Speilman admitting that he wanted Fields and doing nothing should have been fired right then and there.

You and your ridiculous Fields/Jones ranting. Rumor has it we would have liked to get Fields. If there's proof of this I missed it. Some consider Mond better anyway. You say Spielman did nothing and that's BS. If the rumors are true he attempted to move up to draft him. That isn't doing nothing. He found the price to be too high and made another plan. Is it your opinion that every time a GM wants a player and fails to trade up for him he should be fired immediately? 32 GMs would be fired every Draft day if that were the case.

[CharVike]

Cousins isn't close to the Rodgers, Elway, Brady ect.... That's HOF QBs. Cousins will never make the HOF. However I do like Cousins compared to the stiffs we have had like Keenum, TJack and you know all the bums. Once you get past the Andrew Luck type of talent it's almost a guess by the experts. I would put Cousins at a Jimmy G type of level. A good QB who can get to the Super Bowl if your team gets red hot at the end. In other words you can't rely on either of them to carry your team like the Packers do with Rodgers. There's no science to this stuff. Basically getting lucky. I think it comes down to the mental aspect. When getting out of college you don't know anything. With some guys getting all the fame, money and media thrown there way it's too much. Like Ryan Leaf had a hard time dealing with the pro level pressure. It crushed him mentally. Once he questioned himself it was over. Couldn't deal with failure. Werner is a beyond belief story. When he was thrown into action I thought it was the RB that was converted to QB. But the guy could throw a football with the best of them. Once he got on a roll he was unstoppable. As for Mond who knows. He's a guy that will need to develop his overall skill level. In particular his accuracy. I don't even know what causes accuracy problems. Mental? I'm getting tired of the Speilman train ride. He will do the same thing over and over. Zimmer who I think is a good coach has one way of doing things. Change is out the window. You can see the setup. The same crap he has always done. Where he is screwed on D is no shut down CB. No young Rhodes. Speilman didn't address that in the draft. He did the same crap he always does and always will. Then he said he wanted Fields. If you want a QB that bad go get him. He was there for the taking. Don't talk about it. He can't even BS anymore. Fields has played the media to a tee. All the sudden the 40 yard dash time is key. That don't mean anything. His bench press is another key. Jones runs a faster 40 than Mahomes. A better athlete who most feel can't get out of his own way. It's all media BS. With Jones when he hit the big game he threw 5 TD passes. No other guy has done that. Nobody mentions it. It's like a bad performance. Fields folds up tent and wouldn't compete and the excuses fly. His pinky hurt or some BS like that. Show some competitiveness. Trask did. He kept trying to win until the end. That's a driven player. More than likely all three of those guys will be bums. That's the easiest call. But Speilman admitting that he wanted Fields and doing nothing should have been fired right then and there.

You and your ridiculous Fields/Jones ranting. Rumor has it we would have liked to get Fields. If there's proof of this I missed it. Some consider Mond better anyway. You say Spielman did nothing and that's BS. If the rumors are true he attempted to move up to draft him. That isn't doing nothing. He found the price to be too high and made another plan. Is it your opinion that every time a GM wants a player and fails to trade up for him he should be fired immediately? 32 GMs would be fired every Draft day if that were the case.

Bottom line is what actually happened. I didn't say anything about firing GMs except Speilman. Speilman has been doing this for I think 8 years. He said he wanted Fields. Well make it happen then. If you couldn't make it happen don't mention it. Let it go. As I said Speilman had his chance. He was given time. He can't get it done. That's not hard to see. It's in front of all of us.

According to ESPN's Courtney Cronin, the Vikings were eyeing Ohio State QB Justin Fields before moving back from their No. 14 pick, preparing to take the Buckeyes prospect -- or even trade up for him -- before the rival Bears swung in to select him at No. 11.

Vikings general manager Rick Spielman told reporters after the first round that he attempted to move up from No. 14 before shifting back to No. 23 with New York. According to Cronin, Fields was among his top targets for a potential trade, as well as offensive tackle Rashawn Slater, who went 13th to the Chargers. Minnesota alerted Cousins ahead of the draft that it was considering a QB at some point in the draft, Cronin reports, but also assured him his job wouldn't be in jeopardy. Fields, however, tested their commitment.

[Foreman44]

But the fact is, The Vikings didn’t move up for fields.. we grabbed Mond. He is the Vikings 2021 choice. I will cheer, I will support him as long as I see him giving it 1000%...I will hope he proves so many fans wrong. Barring injury he has two years to learn and grow. For me I am hoping he surprises all Viking fans, disappoints fans from other teams,wishing there team had grabbed Mond up

No draft pick is guaranteed NFL success. Same goes that all mid round, late round picks will be guaranteed failures... Expecting another Brady is not likely. Someone closer to Dak, Wilson would be exceptional...

I said before. I think we should draft a QB next year like we did this year.. Whether Mond looks good in camp or not Just looking at numbers, can’t have to many good QBs.

[VikingLord]

I'm so glad the Vikings didn't trade up to get Fields and I'm equally glad they didn't take Jones. If there was ever a QB class that was a toss up beyond the top guy, this class was the definition of it. Of the QBs taken in the first round, much less the first 3 rounds, the ones with the best chances to make it aren't going to make it because of their pre-draft hype, but rather because they probably don't have to step on the field Day One and save the franchise.

If Fields is successful in Chicago it's probably going to be because he doesn't win the starting job over Dalton this year and he can sit and learn and develop. Of course, Bears fans are going to expect Fields to win the starting job over Dalton and the head coach is going to be under pressure to give the job to Fields, which means he will get thrown into the meat grinder right away.

Lawrence, Wilson and even Mac Jones are likely to be in that same situation. Trey Lance probably won't be (and even if he is, he's on a team that is actually good when healthy and can probably keep the pressure off him with good defense and a solid running game), Kyle Trask won't be, and Kellen Mond won't be. Davis Mills might be depending on what happens with Watson down in Houston. So of that group of QBs, Lance, Trask and Mond are going to get launched optimally while the rest are going to have to fight off the lions, tigers and bears right from the start. Lawrence might be good enough to do that. The rest probably aren't and won't be.

It will be really fascinating to look at how this crop of QBs turns out in 5 years.

[Pep2Moss]

Trask was the first choice IMO, Mond second. They would have been fine with either.

If they did deal up for Fields, they lose Darrisaw, and this team is all in. It is a perfect blend of both worlds IMO.

[VikingsVictorious]

You and your ridiculous Fields/Jones ranting. Rumor has it we would have liked to get Fields. If there's proof of this I missed it. Some consider Mond better anyway. You say Spielman did nothing and that's BS. If the rumors are true he attempted to move up to draft him. That isn't doing nothing. He found the price to be too high and made another plan. Is it your opinion that every time a GM wants a player and fails to trade up for him he should be fired immediately? 32 GMs would be fired every Draft day if that were the case.

Bottom line is what actually happened. I didn't say anything about firing GMs except Speilman. Speilman has been doing this for I think 8 years. He said he wanted Fields. Well make it happen then. If you couldn't make it happen don't mention it. Let it go. As I said Speilman had his chance. He was given time. He can't get it done. That's not hard to see. It's in front of all of us.

According to ESPN's Courtney Cronin, the Vikings were eyeing Ohio State QB Justin Fields before moving back from their No. 14 pick, preparing to take the Buckeyes prospect -- or even trade up for him -- before the rival Bears swung in to select him at No. 11.

Vikings general manager Rick Spielman told reporters after the first round that he attempted to move up from No. 14 before shifting back to No. 23 with New York. According to Cronin, Fields was among his top targets for a potential trade, as well as offensive tackle Rashawn Slater, who went 13th to the Chargers. Minnesota alerted Cousins ahead of the draft that it was considering a QB at some point in the draft, Cronin reports, but also assured him his job wouldn't be in jeopardy. Fields, however, tested their commitment.

To me this post was just a bunch of nothing. He was interested in Fields if your report is true. A lot of teams were. The Bears interest was stronger so they paid enough of a price to make it happen. As I mentioned you can ALWAYS trade up if you're willing to pay a high enough price. That is how Herchel Walker trades are made. If Spielman found the price of moving up was higher than he was willing to pay that's his job. He did his job and ended up getting an incredible trade done.