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Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:28 am
by Maelstrom88
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-p ... ree-agency
https://www.si.com/nfl/patriots/news/jo ... erlic-test
I would rather have this guy than Scherff. Much more durable, younger, excellent pass blocker, super bowl experience. Also very intelligent according to reports. If they can somehow create the cap space this is the guy I'd target. Then I'd look to take John Runyan Jr. at some point in the draft.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:45 pm
by Purple Domination
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:02 pm
fiestavike wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:31 am
I hope you are right. We could trade Kirk and sign Teddy for cheap.
Kirk might even bring in a 2nd round pick!
We could use that to help trade up for an earlier pick in the 1st so we could draft one too.
I'm guessing you're kidding. But I'll throw this in.
We'd still be on the hook for Kirk's salary against the cap. Lotta dead money. More than $30 million.
Kirk's our QB next season.
We'd be on the hook for Kirk's salary even if we traded him? Wouldn't the new team pick up the tab?
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:08 pm
by Dames
Purple Domination wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:45 pm
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:02 pm
I'm guessing you're kidding. But I'll throw this in.
We'd still be on the hook for Kirk's salary against the cap. Lotta dead money. More than $30 million.
Kirk's our QB next season.
We'd be on the hook for Kirk's salary even if we traded him? Wouldn't the new team pick up the tab?
Salary cap stuff makes my head swim a little, but I think only future (unpaid) salary goes to the team that he is being traded to. Roster and signing bonuses still apply towards the original teams cap. Kirk's contract is guaranteed, and maybe that's the issue. There is $31M in dead money if he is cut, and trades are treated like cuts vs cap. That, and Cousins can veto any trade. It's not happening.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:42 pm
by StumpHunter
Dames wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:08 pm
Purple Domination wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:45 pm
We'd be on the hook for Kirk's salary even if we traded him? Wouldn't the new team pick up the tab?
Salary cap stuff makes my head swim a little, but I think only future (unpaid) salary goes to the team that he is being traded to. Roster and signing bonuses still apply towards the original teams cap. Kirk's contract is guaranteed, and maybe that's the issue. There is $31M in dead money if he is cut, and trades are treated like cuts vs cap. That, and Cousins can veto any trade. It's not happening.
So this is how cap works when trading players. Any salary owed, guaranteed or otherwise, is counted against the team that the player was traded too.
Signing bonus remains with the team that traded the player, and all of it, whether it was originally spread out across the entire contract or not, instantly counts against the current year's cap.
Cousins has 0 dollars in signing bonus because of the nature of his contract and all of his salary cap hit would transfer to whatever hypothetical team he was traded too.
The real barrier to trading him is like you said, he has a no trade clause. There is also the very uncomfortable reality that no team would probably want him on his current deal.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:37 pm
by YikesVikes
"Since the 1990 #NFL season, 14 of the 16 NFC teams have made it to the #SuperBowl.
Only the @Vikings & @Lions have not.
SF or GB will add another trip tonight.
-NYG 4
-GB 3
-SEA 3
-DAL 3
-LAR 3
-SF 2
-CAR 2
-ATL 2
-PHIL 2
-CHI 1
-NO 1
-TB 1
-ARZ 1
-WASH 1"
We are a joke
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:39 pm
by J. Kapp 11
Purple Domination wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:45 pm
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:02 pm
I'm guessing you're kidding. But I'll throw this in.
We'd still be on the hook for Kirk's salary against the cap. Lotta dead money. More than $30 million.
Kirk's our QB next season.
We'd be on the hook for Kirk's salary even if we traded him? Wouldn't the new team pick up the tab?
I had an explanation, but I think it was wrong. Disregard.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:40 pm
by Dames
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:42 pm
Cousins has 0 dollars in signing bonus because of the nature of his contract and all of his salary cap hit would transfer to whatever hypothetical team he was traded too.
The real barrier to trading him is like you said, he has a no trade clause. There is also the very uncomfortable reality that no team would probably want him on his current deal.
Thanks for clarifying that. Overthecap says he has a prorated 1,500,000, but basically that's 0. So, in theory, we
could dump the 31M on another team if we found a taker and Cousins says yes.
I guess the chances of that are somewhere near 0%. We maybe had a slight chance if Jimmy G sucked this year... but I can't imagine else anyone else wanting to take it on now.
It's not like he a horrible QB, but it's a very steep price to pay for a decent/good QB with an ugly flaw. Not to mention that we have absolutely no one ready to step in and be the QB currently next year.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:06 pm
by J. Kapp 11
Good choice.
I'd take either him or Scherff. Both are a significant upgrade. But yeah, Thuney is probably a better choice. Question is whether we can afford him.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:39 pm
by Maelstrom88
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:06 pm
Good choice.
I'd take either him or Scherff. Both are a significant upgrade. But yeah, Thuney is probably a better choice. Question is whether we can afford him.
I'm thinking Scherff and him will command a similar contract. They can afford one if them but they would have to make significant cuts. It will be interesting to see who they part ways with. I also want them to bring Harris back.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:50 am
by J. Kapp 11
Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:39 pm
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:06 pm
Good choice.
I'd take either him or Scherff. Both are a significant upgrade. But yeah, Thuney is probably a better choice. Question is whether we can afford him.
I'm thinking Scherff and him will command a similar contract. They can afford one if them but they would have to make significant cuts. It will be interesting to see who they part ways with. I also want them to bring Harris back.
It stinks that we're in such Cap Purgatory because Minnesota ought to be an attractive place for free agents. We've got stable ownership that lets the football people do football things, and Mike Zimmer, despite some of our protestations, is a coach that players love to play for. Not only that, we've got some of the best facilities on the planet.
Scherff would have extra incentive. He's from Denison, Iowa, so he'd be close to home. And he'd (potentially) be playing with fellow Hawkeye Riley Reiff. Of course, to clear salary for Scherff, we might have to cut Reiff.
Add in the fact that we've been a playoff team for 3 of the past 5 seasons, and you'd think either player would be attracted to the situation in general.
Except ... we're over the cap. Ugh.
EDITORIAL COMMENT: I know some of you are going to laugh at some of the advantages I've stated. What can I say? I'm a marketer. It's my job to sell ice cubes to Eskimos, if necessary. Spinning is what I do.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:03 am
by CharVike
YikesVikes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:37 pm
"Since the 1990 #NFL season, 14 of the 16 NFC teams have made it to the #SuperBowl.
Only the @Vikings & @Lions have not.
SF or GB will add another trip tonight.
-NYG 4
-GB 3
-SEA 3
-DAL 3
-LAR 3
-SF 2
-CAR 2
-ATL 2
-PHIL 2
-CHI 1
-NO 1
-TB 1
-ARZ 1
-WASH 1"
We are a joke
I never thought it would shake out like that. Never thought about it. Were not making it next year either. I'm getting to old to be waiting forever. After next year it will be another shake out. So 3 more years and nothing. How can we do it next year? Is it even possible to turn it that quick.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:09 am
by Laserman
we can make all the moves at def , wr, ect but if we don't get a dominate Oline and Dline we are not going anywhere. The game is won in the trenches and Our GM just doesn't get it. He gets excited about Wr, QB and Def slots and has basically ignored the Oline for years and gave us a courtesy upgrade which basically changed a few names but didn't add any real talent.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:03 pm
by CharVike
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:50 am
Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:39 pm
I'm thinking Scherff and him will command a similar contract. They can afford one if them but they would have to make significant cuts. It will be interesting to see who they part ways with. I also want them to bring Harris back.
It stinks that we're in such Cap Purgatory because Minnesota ought to be an attractive place for free agents. We've got stable ownership that lets the football people do football things, and Mike Zimmer, despite some of our protestations, is a coach that players love to play for. Not only that, we've got some of the best facilities on the planet.
Scherff would have extra incentive. He's from Denison, Iowa, so he'd be close to home. And he'd (potentially) be playing with fellow Hawkeye Riley Reiff. Of course, to clear salary for Scherff, we might have to cut Reiff.
Add in the fact that we've been a playoff team for 3 of the past 5 seasons, and you'd think either player would be attracted to the situation in general.
Except ... we're over the cap. Ugh.
EDITORIAL COMMENT: I know some of you are going to laugh at some of the advantages I've stated. What can I say? I'm a marketer. It's my job to sell ice cubes to Eskimos, if necessary. Spinning is what I do.
Here's the true spin. I read since 1990 us and the Lions are the only two NFC teams that haven't been to a Super Bowl. If I'm a free agent I would say your team is the other Lions. Your both losers. Plus it's like minus whatever degree every day for months. No thanks. Spin that. I'll tell you how. Here's the most money. Hop on board and the player will be here. Cut that stiff Joesph who does nothing and now we have enough CAP. Not enough. Cut that stiff Rhodes who does nothing. Are we there yet? If not cut another do nothing guy that makes a ton. Waynes? Is that enough? I can cut more if needed. No impact either. Is this guy the missing piece to push us over the top. If not then no thanks. I want difference makers. Impact players. Will he at least open holes to drive a truck through? The running game will be the best ever no matter whos running the ball? Then we are in.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:18 pm
by StumpHunter
CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:03 pm
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:50 am
It stinks that we're in such Cap Purgatory because Minnesota ought to be an attractive place for free agents. We've got stable ownership that lets the football people do football things, and Mike Zimmer, despite some of our protestations, is a coach that players love to play for. Not only that, we've got some of the best facilities on the planet.
Scherff would have extra incentive. He's from Denison, Iowa, so he'd be close to home. And he'd (potentially) be playing with fellow Hawkeye Riley Reiff. Of course, to clear salary for Scherff, we might have to cut Reiff.
Add in the fact that we've been a playoff team for 3 of the past 5 seasons, and you'd think either player would be attracted to the situation in general.
Except ... we're over the cap. Ugh.
EDITORIAL COMMENT: I know some of you are going to laugh at some of the advantages I've stated. What can I say? I'm a marketer. It's my job to sell ice cubes to Eskimos, if necessary. Spinning is what I do.
Here's the true spin. I read since 1990 us and the Lions are the only two NFC teams that haven't been to a Super Bowl. If I'm a free agent I would say your team is the other Lions. Your both losers. Plus it's like minus whatever degree every day for months. No thanks. Spin that. I'll tell you how. Here's the most money. Hop on board and the player will be here. Cut that stiff Joesph who does nothing and now we have enough CAP. Not enough. Cut that stiff Rhodes who does nothing. Are we there yet? If not cut another do nothing guy that makes a ton. Waynes? Is that enough? I can cut more if needed. No impact either. Is this guy the missing piece to push us over the top. If not then no thanks. I want difference makers. Impact players. Will he at least open holes to drive a truck through? The running game will be the best ever no matter whos running the ball? Then we are in.
Cutting Rhodes gets us to a point where we can sign our rookies and kicker.
Waynes gets us nothing, he isn't under contract.
Griffen's salary will go to signing Harris and Mack.
Your secondary now consists of a very good duo at safety, a guy who is always hurt and has played poorly when given the opportunity in Hughes, a nickle corner who will play significant time for the first time on the outside in Mack, a drug addict who is a positive test away from being gone for the season in Hill, and a practice squad guy in Boyd.
There isn't a signing we can make that will make an impact with the cap we have.
Re: Moves the Vikings should make for 2020
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:01 pm
by CharVike
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:18 pm
CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:03 pm
Here's the true spin. I read since 1990 us and the Lions are the only two NFC teams that haven't been to a Super Bowl. If I'm a free agent I would say your team is the other Lions. Your both losers. Plus it's like minus whatever degree every day for months. No thanks. Spin that. I'll tell you how. Here's the most money. Hop on board and the player will be here. Cut that stiff Joesph who does nothing and now we have enough CAP. Not enough. Cut that stiff Rhodes who does nothing. Are we there yet? If not cut another do nothing guy that makes a ton. Waynes? Is that enough? I can cut more if needed. No impact either. Is this guy the missing piece to push us over the top. If not then no thanks. I want difference makers. Impact players. Will he at least open holes to drive a truck through? The running game will be the best ever no matter whos running the ball? Then we are in.
Cutting Rhodes gets us to a point where we can sign our rookies and kicker.
Waynes gets us nothing, he isn't under contract.
Griffen's salary will go to signing Harris and Mack.
Your secondary now consists of a very good duo at safety, a guy who is always hurt and has played poorly when given the opportunity in Hughes, a nickle corner who will play significant time for the first time on the outside in Mack, a drug addict who is a positive test away from being gone for the season in Hill, and a practice squad guy in Boyd.
There isn't a signing we can make that will make an impact with the cap we have.
Your correct Hughes is always hurt. I said before the season started that I didn't expect him back this year. He was never back and playing well. I think Huhges did well for a young kid. I thought he intercepted a ball and returned it for a TD. Or was that the great Rhodes or Waynes. I might have got the players mixed up. My bad. I don't know all the CAP stuff but you are saying we are stuck were we are at with zero room. We can't get rid of Joseph who gets pushed all over the field. Or is that out also? No restructures? Chris Carter was also a drug addict. So stay away from them and don't trust them? Is that the answer?