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radar55 wrote:The last 2 weeks have taken us from the #1 pick (hello Mr. Bridgewater) to the #6 pick (goodbye Mr. Bridgewater). I am soooooo fearfull that come draft day we will hear......................

WITH THE #6 PICK IN THE 2014 NFL DRAFT......THE MN VIKINGS SELECT JOHNNY MANZIEL

Shortly after he starts playing we will remember that weeks 12 and 13 cost us the chance to finally get a franchise Q/B.

acousticrock wrote:This might be the wrong topic for this post... but it's related to the draft.

I don't think the Vikings will necessarily take a QB in the first round this year. And not because they believe in Ponder or Cassel, but because of the Josh Freeman experiment. The whole Freeman saga is so bizarre, bizarre enough that there must be a plan, right? (I loved the TV show LOST, so I may be out in LOST territory here...). I think that Spielman picked up Freeman because he knows that Frazier is gone and has told Freeman to sit tight until Frazier and his coaching staff is gone. Once a new coaching staff gets hired (knowing that Freeman is the guy going forward) Freeman will take over for the Vikes.

Frazier threw Freeman into the NYG game just to see if he could catch a little magic, which clearly didn't work. I'd argue the NYG game was not indicative of Freeman's skills at all, however, just thrown into a terrible situation way too quickly. After the NYG game, Freeman has been pushed all the way back to 3rd string (and sometimes not even active). There's no way a young QB who threw over 4,000 yards and 27 TDs in recent years should be 3rd string or inactive so I think something else is going on behind the scenes.

So, if the Vikes are in a great position to draft a QB (picks 1-3), they will probably take one. If the Vikes are drafting 6, though, they'll probably just take BPA because they'll plan on going forward with Freeman.

acousticrock wrote:This might be the wrong topic for this post... but it's related to the draft.

I don't think the Vikings will necessarily take a QB in the first round this year. And not because they believe in Ponder or Cassel, but because of the Josh Freeman experiment. The whole Freeman saga is so bizarre, bizarre enough that there must be a plan, right? (I loved the TV show LOST, so I may be out in LOST territory here...). I think that Spielman picked up Freeman because he knows that Frazier is gone and has told Freeman to sit tight until Frazier and his coaching staff is gone. Once a new coaching staff gets hired (knowing that Freeman is the guy going forward) Freeman will take over for the Vikes.

Frazier threw Freeman into the NYG game just to see if he could catch a little magic, which clearly didn't work. I'd argue the NYG game was not indicative of Freeman's skills at all, however, just thrown into a terrible situation way too quickly. After the NYG game, Freeman has been pushed all the way back to 3rd string (and sometimes not even active). There's no way a young QB who threw over 4,000 yards and 27 TDs in recent years should be 3rd string or inactive so I think something else is going on behind the scenes.

So, if the Vikes are in a great position to draft a QB (picks 1-3), they will probably take one. If the Vikes are drafting 6, though, they'll probably just take BPA because they'll plan on going forward with Freeman.

Jeffbleedspurple wrote:
You're without a doubt a person that lives for the day and doesn't think about the future. I would settle for worst record in franchise history if it resulted in the best QB in Vikings history. No problem.

acousticrock wrote:Yeah, I agree that it's not the best plan (if it is the plan).

I guess if you compare Freeman's body of work and measurements with QBs like Bridgewater or Mariota's, they compare really nicely.

One could argue that the success Freeman has had in the NFL might be better than either Bridgewater or Mariota will ever have.

I think it's so strange how quickly he has regressed without an injury. I guess I might be naive, but I believe something else was going on in Tampa Bay that caused his regression, not simply him losing his skills or forgetting how to read defenses or losing his confidence.

Has any other QB regressed so quickly (without an injury) after having a successful second season?

My hope is they re-sign Freeman and draft a QB in the 1st (or later if it is Carr) and have a healthy competition for starter next year.

thatguy wrote: False. I'm just the type of person that thinks bigger picture and long-term, but I'm not going to sit here and be like "damn, they won a game...that really screws us in the draft!" As I said before, there's more than one person in this draft worth getting, and I think that it's foolish to think that even if we slide a couple of spots that we're all of the sudden doomed.

I guess I have too much pride to HOPE that my team loses just so they can pick a not-sure-thing player in the draft.

MrPurplenGold wrote:Unfortunately the Vikings are not a QB away from being a good team. Even if Audi Cole turns out to be the solution at MLB our defensive front is about to go through an overhaul, we only have one good CB in Rhodes so depth and talent in the secondary and defensive fronts are a big question mark and we could use an upgrade at the guard spots. Look at Russell Wilson, the seahawks were a good team before Seattle drafted him and now they're even better. Carolina was a terrible team when they drafted Newton and it's taken them 3 years to become serious contenders. Look at how bad Luck is struggling with the team around him being injured. I still say take the BPA whether it's a QB, DE, DT, CB or LB. Reaching is how we got Ponder and reaching again in this year's draft will get us another 3 years of misery and put us back in this position in the 2016/17 draft.

MrPurplenGold wrote:Unfortunately the Vikings are not a QB away from being a good team. Even if Audi Cole turns out to be the solution at MLB our defensive front is about to go through an overhaul, we only have one good CB in Rhodes so depth and talent in the secondary and defensive fronts are a big question mark and we could use an upgrade at the guard spots. Look at Russell Wilson, the seahawks were a good team before Seattle drafted him and now they're even better. Carolina was a terrible team when they drafted Newton and it's taken them 3 years to become serious contenders. Look at how bad Luck is struggling with the team around him being injured. I still say take the BPA whether it's a QB, DE, DT, CB or LB. Reaching is how we got Ponder and reaching again in this year's draft will get us another 3 years of misery and put us back in this position in the 2016/17 draft.