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CharVike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:11 pm

StanM wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 9:07 am

There was a recent article that grouped the Vikings roster by performance at all positions. It made the points that no team has an all pro bowl caliber roster and that the bottom third of our roster needs an upgrade. I see some people these recent less than spectacular moves as an attempt to raise the talent level or to use another term “depth”.

I see a calculated process that is going to take more than one season to complete. It appears that our new hires agreed to come in here and take one more shot with aging veterans before phasing out more of the aging players. I am an original Vikings fan of 60 years and have seen long stretches of needs at whole position groups that lasted for years. I’m liking the way they’re not blowing this up totally but rather phasing out and replacing players. I suspect the strategy of tanking doesn’t fit the Wilf’s commitment to keep a competitive team on the field year in and year out. I can understand that approach and some teams have used it to create dynasties. The thing is nowadays is that free agency and quick rebuilds have been successful in some cases. At the end of the day the Vikings have never listened to my opinions and my only involvement is whether I continue to follow them.

Everybody knows there isn't a team with a bunch of all pros. Tanking gets you nothing unless you know how to draft. Of course if there is an Andrew Luck prospect then you don't even need to know how to draft. Suck for luck. All a fan has to do is look at our last X number of years drafting and you know what the roster is. Off the top of my head Speilman missed on a few CBs and so our secondary sucks and we need to find players. Bradbury sucks because Speilman has never shown the ability to select all pro lineman and I don't need some grade because I have seen him play and get pushed all over the place and laid out flat on his back. He can't hold the point. That's a bum at the NFL level. Yes he is a great college player. There's only about 1700 total players. There's about 13,000 college players. Do the math. Very few make it. But there are different performance levels at the pro level. Fans call Cousins a bum or stiff or loser or non competitor and that's OK it's there opinion. But he certainly is much better than a guy throwing a ball in his back yard like me. He's certainly better than Kyle Sloter who made it to the pro level but sucks at that level. Free agency has been around a long time. IMO teams don't let all the guys they develop who are good pros hit FA. They keep them. Of course someone else may have a different opinion.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 1:42 pm

Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 9:52 am The question isn't whether or not he can succeed vs. a DT at Grambling State it's whether he can block the average starting DT in the NFL. The answer is not very well. So in that regard yes he is a bum and a JAG. However, he is better than what we had and the draft will still present the opportunity to bring in real upgrades. This board needs to stop acting like a player is good just because he plays in the NFL. The answer is they WERE good as college players but are they good compared to their peers NOW? Not whether they can block me or you but whether they can block professional DTs on a consistent basis.

You guys are unbelievable. You automatically assume Chris Reed is worthless before you’ve ever seen him play a down for this team, even though you’ve never seen him play a down for any team.

Again, Chris Reed is ranked 36th out of 88 qualified guards in the NFL. That IS against NFL tackles, not Grambling State. Given that there are 32 teams who each need two starting guards, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that makes him more than a bum. Is he the second coming of Steve Hutchinson? I’ve never seen him play either, but most indicators point to the answer being “no.” Is he better than what we had? Those same indicators say “yes.”

Some of you need to come to grips with the idea that roster management for the 2022 Vikings is not gonna to go down the way you would do it.

CharVike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:11 pm

StanM wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 9:07 am

There was a recent article that grouped the Vikings roster by performance at all positions. It made the points that no team has an all pro bowl caliber roster and that the bottom third of our roster needs an upgrade. I see some people these recent less than spectacular moves as an attempt to raise the talent level or to use another term “depth”.

I see a calculated process that is going to take more than one season to complete. It appears that our new hires agreed to come in here and take one more shot with aging veterans before phasing out more of the aging players. I am an original Vikings fan of 60 years and have seen long stretches of needs at whole position groups that lasted for years. I’m liking the way they’re not blowing this up totally but rather phasing out and replacing players. I suspect the strategy of tanking doesn’t fit the Wilf’s commitment to keep a competitive team on the field year in and year out. I can understand that approach and some teams have used it to create dynasties. The thing is nowadays is that free agency and quick rebuilds have been successful in some cases. At the end of the day the Vikings have never listened to my opinions and my only involvement is whether I continue to follow them.

Everybody knows there isn't a team with a bunch of all pros. Tanking gets you nothing unless you know how to draft. Of course if there is an Andrew Luck prospect then you don't even need to know how to draft. Suck for luck. All a fan has to do is look at our last X number of years drafting and you know what the roster is. Off the top of my head Speilman missed on a few CBs and so our secondary sucks and we need to find players. Bradbury sucks because Speilman has never shown the ability to select all pro lineman and I don't need some grade because I have seen him play and get pushed all over the place and laid out flat on his back. He can't hold the point. That's a bum at the NFL level. Yes he is a great college player. There's only about 1700 total players. There's about 13,000 college players. Do the math. Very few make it. But there are different performance levels at the pro level. Fans call Cousins a bum or stiff or loser or non competitor and that's OK it's there opinion. But he certainly is much better than a guy throwing a ball in his back yard like me. He's certainly better than Kyle Sloter who made it to the pro level but sucks at that level. Free agency has been around a long time. IMO teams don't let all the guys they develop who are good pros hit FA. They keep them. Of course someone else may have a different opinion.

makila wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:17 pm Reggie White was just not very good. Eagles would have kept him.

*troll face*

CharVike wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:50 am

makila wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:17 pm Reggie White was just not very good. Eagles would have kept him.

*troll face*

Same could be said for Brady and Prime Time. There will always be a couple each year who are players above the normal FA castoff. For example Trea Waynes is your normal FA cast off. I'm sure another team signed him but he's not a good football player. If a guy is good then the cost will be through the roof in FA because there will be other bidders at the auction so get ready to screw your cap up. The Eagles owner at the time didn't want to pay Reggie the money he wanted so he signed a big deal with the Packers. Even before our guy Kirk players were looking to make as much as they could and would follow the advice of their agent. The minister of defense wanted the money also. I don't blame him either. Get it while you can.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:28 am

CharVike wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:50 am
Same could be said for Brady and Prime Time. There will always be a couple each year who are players above the normal FA castoff. For example Trea Waynes is your normal FA cast off. I'm sure another team signed him but he's not a good football player. If a guy is good then the cost will be through the roof in FA because there will be other bidders at the auction so get ready to screw your cap up. The Eagles owner at the time didn't want to pay Reggie the money he wanted so he signed a big deal with the Packers. Even before our guy Kirk players were looking to make as much as they could and would follow the advice of their agent. The minister of defense wanted the money also. I don't blame him either. Get it while you can.

The Bengals went from the 20th best scoring defense to the 7th and going to the SB due mostly to free agent signings like Hendrickson, Awuzie and Hilton. The Packers went from 6 wins to the NFCCG with the additions of Amos, Smith and Smith. That is just off the top of my head, but I am sure there have been a lot more.

There are a lot of good free agents out there besides just Brady and Reggie White.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:28 am

CharVike wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:50 am
Same could be said for Brady and Prime Time. There will always be a couple each year who are players above the normal FA castoff. For example Trea Waynes is your normal FA cast off. I'm sure another team signed him but he's not a good football player. If a guy is good then the cost will be through the roof in FA because there will be other bidders at the auction so get ready to screw your cap up. The Eagles owner at the time didn't want to pay Reggie the money he wanted so he signed a big deal with the Packers. Even before our guy Kirk players were looking to make as much as they could and would follow the advice of their agent. The minister of defense wanted the money also. I don't blame him either. Get it while you can.

The Bengals went from the 20th best scoring defense to the 7th and going to the SB due mostly to free agent signings like Hendrickson, Awuzie and Hilton. The Packers went from 6 wins to the NFCCG with the additions of Amos, Smith and Smith. That is just off the top of my head, but I am sure there have been a lot more.

There are a lot of good free agents out there besides just Brady and Reggie White.

CharVike wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:22 am Mahomes pulled a loser chock job but IMO his OL sucked again and so did he.

I guess getting Rodgers back from injury had nothing to do with the Packers it was all the FA signings?

makila wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:43 pm My post re white was an extreme example, and the person who pushed free agency, that just because they are a FA doesn't mean they are bad.

The comment I've read by charvike made in multiple places is that teams don't let their good players hit FA. That simply is not an accurate statement.

Sorry for derailing.

"Free agency has been around a long time. IMO teams don't let all the guys they develop who are good pros hit FA. They keep them. Of course someone else may have a different opinion."

It doesn't matter if it's your opinion. It happens. Teams develop good players. Player doesn't want to keep playing for team. Player becomes a FA. The team has no say in it once the their contract is up. The player does.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:32 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:22 am Mahomes pulled a loser chock job but IMO his OL sucked again and so did he.

He threw 3 TDs, 275 yards and his Oline only gave up 6 pressures total in that game. Neither of those things are true, and neither are relevant to point being made.

I guess getting Rodgers back from injury had nothing to do with the Packers it was all the FA signings?

Absolutely nothing to do with it, since he played 16 games in 2018.

CharVike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:19 am

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:32 pm
He threw 3 TDs, 275 yards and his Oline only gave up 6 pressures total in that game. Neither of those things are true, and neither are relevant to point being made.

Absolutely nothing to do with it, since he played 16 games in 2018.

We already went through this. I'm not reliving it.

But I will say 3 TD passes in a game seems great to you even in a lose. Our does that only apply to certain players?