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Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 am**

VikingLord wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:22 am
fiestavike wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:27 pm

Prevailing wisdom among folks I know in medical field is 'minimal risk for those without co-morbitities'.
I might be misunderstanding what you wrote, but are you saying that prevailing wisdom in the medical field is that getting sick with COVID poses minimal risk for those without co-morbidities?

That's my understanding. Young healthy people might get it without even knowing they had it the symptoms can be so mild and yes I know there are exceptions.

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:44 am**

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 am
VikingLord wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:22 am

I might be misunderstanding what you wrote, but are you saying that prevailing wisdom in the medical field is that getting sick with COVID poses minimal risk for those without co-morbidities?
That's my understanding. Young healthy people might get it without even knowing they had it the symptoms can be so mild and yes I know there are exceptions.

I have worked in critical care for over 45 years. Retired now, but have many friends working on the front lines in very respected tertiary care facilities. I also know researchers who have been involved in COVID studies. You might want their opinion as a very large majority of those they are seeing in the ICUs are younger unvaccinated patients.

Trying to minimize COVID is garbage. If it was only people with co-morbidities at risk we would not have over 612K deaths.

Posted: **Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:20 pm**

VikingTom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:44 am
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 am
That's my understanding. Young healthy people might get it without even knowing they had it the symptoms can be so mild and yes I know there are exceptions.
I have worked in critical care for over 45 years. Retired now, but have many friends working on the front lines in very respected tertiary care facilities. I also know researchers who have been involved in COVID studies. You might want their opinion as a very large majority of those they are seeing in the ICUs are younger unvaccinated patients.

Trying to minimize COVID is garbage. If it was only people with co-morbidities at risk we would not have over 612K deaths.

This COVID thing sucks giant donkey dong. However, the vast majority of people dying from it are either older or have existing health risks. Those are facts. Should we completely ignore the risk to younger healthy people? No of course not.

Posted: **Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:31 pm**

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 am
VikingLord wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:22 am

I might be misunderstanding what you wrote, but are you saying that prevailing wisdom in the medical field is that getting sick with COVID poses minimal risk for those without co-morbidities?
That's my understanding. Young healthy people might get it without even knowing they had it the symptoms can be so mild and yes I know there are exceptions.

The point was trying to make is about the relative risk associated with getting the vaccine as opposed to the virus, specifically in the context of the "clinical trials" comment. There are two choices almost everyone has:

The first is to get the vaccine and take your chances given it has been tested, demonstrated to be safe as far as any clinical trials can ever demonstrate such a thing, and it gives your immune system a heads-up on how to identify a virus that, sans the vaccine, your immune system would have to figure out on its own.

The second is to not get the vaccine and take your chances with the virus given that it has demonstrated it is highly infectious, can be transmitted by people without symptoms, and literally the only thing it can do is make you sick, in many cases deathly so, but in many more do long-term damage. Since you cannot know if you will be unlucky before the fact, you're literally rolling the dice with this approach, and not just your own dice, but the dice of everyone you come in contact with should you get the virus.

That doesn't seem like a hard choice to me. The fact that it is a hard choice for so many, including those with medical degrees apparently and who should have a pretty solid handle on how vaccines and viruses work, is quite frankly incredibly disheartening.

But yeah, most people will get lucky, at least so far, and so I guess this just goes on now ad infinitum as the virus mutates and more people suffer the consequences. Kirk Cousins is going to miss a big chunk of training camp due to this. He probably won't get that sick and die (if he even gets it), true, but the team is going to suffer for it along with him.

Posted: **Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:17 pm**

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:31 pm
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 am
That's my understanding. Young healthy people might get it without even knowing they had it the symptoms can be so mild and yes I know there are exceptions.
The point was trying to make is about the relative risk associated with getting the vaccine as opposed to the virus, specifically in the context of the "clinical trials" comment. There are two choices almost everyone has:

The first is to get the vaccine and take your chances given it has been tested, demonstrated to be safe as far as any clinical trials can ever demonstrate such a thing, and it gives your immune system a heads-up on how to identify a virus that, sans the vaccine, your immune system would have to figure out on its own.

The second is to not get the vaccine and take your chances with the virus given that it has demonstrated it is highly infectious, can be transmitted by people without symptoms, and literally the only thing it can do is make you sick, in many cases deathly so, but in many more do long-term damage. Since you cannot know if you will be unlucky before the fact, you're literally rolling the dice with this approach, and not just your own dice, but the dice of everyone you come in contact with should you get the virus.

That doesn't seem like a hard choice to me. The fact that it is a hard choice for so many, including those with medical degrees apparently and who should have a pretty solid handle on how vaccines and viruses work, is quite frankly incredibly disheartening.

But yeah, most people will get lucky, at least so far, and so I guess this just goes on now ad infinitum as the virus mutates and more people suffer the consequences. Kirk Cousins is going to miss a big chunk of training camp due to this. He probably won't get that sick and die (if he even gets it), true, but the team is going to suffer for it along with him.

IMO the evidence points out that getting the vaccine is a good idea. Even if the vaccine has no value whatsoever it's a good idea for football players just so they don't have to put up with the unvaccinated protocols. However, NFL football players are ALPHA types. That means they don't like being bossed around and told what to do and if they feel like they are being cornered they will cut off their noses to spite their faces. Many people are this way.

As for the big chunk of training camp missed have you heard something other than 5 days? I mean that is significant, but probably not what most would call a big chunk. Are you hearing the two weeks that some are reporting?

Here's what I found from a quick Google search.

Cousins was deemed a high-risk close contact. His absence was thus a clear indication he has not been vaccinated because league rules for his category mandate a five-day quarantine and negative test before he can return.

Funny thing is the player who tested positive Mond may have to only sit 2 days because he's vaccinated. Hence a great reason for all players to get vaccinated regardless due to much lesser "safety" measures they have to put up with.

Posted: **Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:35 pm**

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:17 pm Cousins was deemed a high-risk close contact. His absence was thus a clear indication he has not been vaccinated because league rules for his category mandate a five-day quarantine and negative test before he can return.

You're right - its 5 days provided he doesn't test positive.

If he tests positive it's 14 days, and that assumes he doesn't get very sick where it could be longer.

Posted: **Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:39 pm**

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:35 pm
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:17 pm Cousins was deemed a high-risk close contact. His absence was thus a clear indication he has not been vaccinated because league rules for his category mandate a five-day quarantine and negative test before he can return.
You're right - its 5 days provided he doesn't test positive.

If he tests positive it's 14 days, and that assumes he doesn't get very sick where it could be longer.

This brings up a question of how close of contact Cousins had with Mond. If the Vikings are following protocols shouldn't he have NOT had high risk close contact with Mond?

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