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Backup.... Are we delusional. You realize he's a talent the level of Hunter?RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:08 pm https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patr ... e-request/
Patrick wants Vikings to trade for Jones, I do not see that happening unless Chandler is willing to be a back up, thoughts?
How am I delusional? Vikings have Hunter and Wonnum as the startersYikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:19 pmBackup.... Are we delusional. You realize he's a talent the level of Hunter?RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:08 pm https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patr ... e-request/
Patrick wants Vikings to trade for Jones, I do not see that happening unless Chandler is willing to be a back up, thoughts?
Two things about Weatherly are in his favor if the Vikes signed JonesStumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:09 amThat is easy. Weatherly adds nothing and costs way too.VikingLord wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:51 am
If the right deal is there, Jones would make a solid addition. Someone would have to go to make room for him on the roster. Not sure who that would be.
If the Vikings added someone the caliber of Jones, Wonnum would really have to improve over what we saw last year to win the starting DE job opposite Hunter.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:47 pmHow am I delusional? Vikings have Hunter and Wonnum as the startersYikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:19 pm
Backup.... Are we delusional. You realize he's a talent the level of Hunter?
Weatherly is most likely the starter, but if we had Jones he wouldn't be coming over as a backup. It seems you know almost nothing about Chandler Jones.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:47 pmHow am I delusional? Vikings have Hunter and Wonnum as the startersYikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:19 pm
Backup.... Are we delusional. You realize he's a talent the level of Hunter?
The Vikings would save 2 million cutting a guy who has sucked at getting after the passer every year he has played, something they would need to help cover the 15.5 million Jones is due to make this year.VikingLord wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:48 pmTwo things about Weatherly are in his favor if the Vikes signed JonesStumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:09 am
That is easy. Weatherly adds nothing and costs way too.
- He's a vet who is familiar with the system
- You can never have too much DL depth
With that said, Weatherly would be on the bubble. Jones outclasses him and barring something unexpected I don't see how he gets on the field enough to justify the contract he signed.
He would have to better the following on a team that was constantly losing and had fewer opportunities to rush the passer.VikingLord wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:49 pmIf the Vikings added someone the caliber of Jones, Wonnum would really have to improve over what we saw last year to win the starting DE job opposite Hunter.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:47 pm
How am I delusional? Vikings have Hunter and Wonnum as the starters
It would be a move that signals they're all-in this year for sure. Not sure how they pay Jones but it would be an impact signing.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:29 am Jones is really, really good and if the Vikings were serious about making a SB run this year it makes sense to make a trade for him. This wouldn't be a trade for an average DE in a year we had no shot at competing like we did last year for Ngakoue, it would be a trade for a guy who would make this top 10 defense into one of the best in the NFL. We would have the most feared pass rush in the NFL, to go along with one of the best run defenses.
No problem, it's a site I stumbled on a few years back and like how they present the data. I'm not sure if they update the database every year or it's just compared to his draft class. My guess is it's a comparison to his peers in that year's draft.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:18 pmThanks for the research S197.S197 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:45 pm Depends on how you guys are defining "freakish" but he's top tier in size and arm length. In terms of speed, he's upper quartile-ish.
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/stephen-weatherly
Wonnum looks to not have the size but more burst and speed.
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/dj-wonnum
Hopefully numbers isn't everything, because Patrick Jones looks ugly:
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/patrick-jones
Doesn't help that his numbers compare to Scott Crichton.
When you combine size and speed Weatherly is freakish. I think these were numbers compared to the other draftees, at his position, in his class. 98th percentile for weight and 76th percentile for speed. How many people larger than him were faster than him? The answer was probably 0.
Stump called Wonnum at 13th percentile weight, 86th percentile speed almost identical to Weatherly. I'm guessing the discrepancy came from Weatherly lumped in with the LBs while Wonnum was lumped in with just DE or DL.
Jones is actually good when it comes to weight/speed in the 10 yard split. He was below average in everything else.
No problem, it's a site I stumbled on a few years back and like how they present the data. I'm not sure if they update the database every year or it's just compared to his draft class. My guess is it's a comparison to his peers in that year's draft.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:18 pmThanks for the research S197.S197 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:45 pm Depends on how you guys are defining "freakish" but he's top tier in size and arm length. In terms of speed, he's upper quartile-ish.
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/stephen-weatherly
Wonnum looks to not have the size but more burst and speed.
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/dj-wonnum
Hopefully numbers isn't everything, because Patrick Jones looks ugly:
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/patrick-jones
Doesn't help that his numbers compare to Scott Crichton.
When you combine size and speed Weatherly is freakish. I think these were numbers compared to the other draftees, at his position, in his class. 98th percentile for weight and 76th percentile for speed. How many people larger than him were faster than him? The answer was probably 0.
Stump called Wonnum at 13th percentile weight, 86th percentile speed almost identical to Weatherly. I'm guessing the discrepancy came from Weatherly lumped in with the LBs while Wonnum was lumped in with just DE or DL.
Jones is actually good when it comes to weight/speed in the 10 yard split. He was below average in everything else.
I appreciate that it validated my memory of Weatherly being a freakish size speed combination. When you're in the top 2% for size in your group and still in the top 24% for speed that is a very rare combination.S197 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:53 pmNo problem, it's a site I stumbled on a few years back and like how they present the data. I'm not sure if they update the database every year or it's just compared to his draft class. My guess is it's a comparison to his peers in that year's draft.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:18 pm Thanks for the research S197.
When you combine size and speed Weatherly is freakish. I think these were numbers compared to the other draftees, at his position, in his class. 98th percentile for weight and 76th percentile for speed. How many people larger than him were faster than him? The answer was probably 0.
Stump called Wonnum at 13th percentile weight, 86th percentile speed almost identical to Weatherly. I'm guessing the discrepancy came from Weatherly lumped in with the LBs while Wonnum was lumped in with just DE or DL.
Jones is actually good when it comes to weight/speed in the 10 yard split. He was below average in everything else.
Top 2% for an OLB, a position he didn't play in the NFL.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:04 pmI appreciate that it validated my memory of Weatherly being a freakish size speed combination. When you're in the top 2% for size in your group and still in the top 24% for speed that is a very rare combination.
I'm kind of surprised at some of the comments in here. Jones is right up there with JJ Watt for best pass rusher in this era and people are wondering/assuming he might be a back up to Weatherly or Wonnum? This guy is a double digit guy every year and has come close breaking the sack record. For reference he's played one less season than Watt and only trails him by 4 sacks. If we could land Jones I'd be beyond thrilled, we would have the best combo edge rushers in the league by far.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:36 pmWeatherly is most likely the starter, but if we had Jones he wouldn't be coming over as a backup. It seems you know almost nothing about Chandler Jones.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:47 pm
How am I delusional? Vikings have Hunter and Wonnum as the starters
Yes I already mentioned that. However, his combine for OLB was freakish. I'm guessing his speed rating would have gone up if grouped with DEs.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:31 amTop 2% for an OLB, a position he didn't play in the NFL.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:04 pm
I appreciate that it validated my memory of Weatherly being a freakish size speed combination. When you're in the top 2% for size in your group and still in the top 24% for speed that is a very rare combination.