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VikingLord wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:48 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:47 am
VikingLord I can't imagine a QB that will not show decent accuracy in highlight videos. Watch the game film that was provided previously in this thread or somewhere here. Decent is the best way to describe his accuracy in my opinion and I would prefer him having good accuracy. He's a project no question. However, he has enough good traits that he may end up being a very successful project.

I think it's important to note that at least some portions of the video posted in this thread were of Mond playing in the Senior Bowl where he was not playing with his regular receivers. Communication and familiarity between QB and receiver is important, so that might have contributed to Mond's apparent accuracy issues in that particular video.

But even with that being the case I agree with you that Mond has some issues. I wouldn't necessarily call them accuracy issues as much as consistency issues. He can get a little antsy in the pocket with his feet and his quick release can sail on him a bit as a result of not having his feet set when his brain tells him to fire. QBs who can throw accurately without a strong base under them have "arm talent", which is something I don't see in Mond in any video I watched of him. He has a strong arm and a lightning quick release that looks effortless, but if he's not set the pass is inconsistent. Arm talent is a great and fairly rare skill to have, and it's also probably true that is a talent and not something teachable per se, so the key for Mond (as for any QB who needs to set and throw with a solid base if the pass is going to be accurate and consistent) is to correctly read the defense and know where and when to go with the ball post-snap. Tom Brady doesn't throw on the run much (if ever), and the reason is he is very quick to understand where he has guys open or coming open and he can get the ball out fast enough that he doesn't need to take off or move in the pocket too often.

I think if Mond can develop his processing skills the Vikings have a keeper. If he can't they've likely got the next Donovan McNabb.

It's also interesting to note that the main difference between the way Tom Brady plays and the way Kirk Cousins plays is the speed with which each processes the field. Brady is like "Rain Man" while Cousins is just a good gambler, but beyond that they are remarkably similar players in terms of their base style and capability. So if Cousins isn't going to process the field faster, then the Vikings need this revamped offensive line to buy him those precious additional half seconds he needs to see it on the field. I am really, really, really hoping that Darrisaw and Davis end up locking down that left side of the offensive line and Bradbury figured out how to hide lead weights in his socks so he doesn't get bull rushed back into the pocket so often.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:44 pm

VikingLord wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:48 pm

I think it's important to note that at least some portions of the video posted in this thread were of Mond playing in the Senior Bowl where he was not playing with his regular receivers. Communication and familiarity between QB and receiver is important, so that might have contributed to Mond's apparent accuracy issues in that particular video.

But even with that being the case I agree with you that Mond has some issues. I wouldn't necessarily call them accuracy issues as much as consistency issues. He can get a little antsy in the pocket with his feet and his quick release can sail on him a bit as a result of not having his feet set when his brain tells him to fire. QBs who can throw accurately without a strong base under them have "arm talent", which is something I don't see in Mond in any video I watched of him. He has a strong arm and a lightning quick release that looks effortless, but if he's not set the pass is inconsistent. Arm talent is a great and fairly rare skill to have, and it's also probably true that is a talent and not something teachable per se, so the key for Mond (as for any QB who needs to set and throw with a solid base if the pass is going to be accurate and consistent) is to correctly read the defense and know where and when to go with the ball post-snap. Tom Brady doesn't throw on the run much (if ever), and the reason is he is very quick to understand where he has guys open or coming open and he can get the ball out fast enough that he doesn't need to take off or move in the pocket too often.

I think if Mond can develop his processing skills the Vikings have a keeper. If he can't they've likely got the next Donovan McNabb.

It's also interesting to note that the main difference between the way Tom Brady plays and the way Kirk Cousins plays is the speed with which each processes the field. Brady is like "Rain Man" while Cousins is just a good gambler, but beyond that they are remarkably similar players in terms of their base style and capability. So if Cousins isn't going to process the field faster, then the Vikings need this revamped offensive line to buy him those precious additional half seconds he needs to see it on the field. I am really, really, really hoping that Darrisaw and Davis end up locking down that left side of the offensive line and Bradbury figured out how to hide lead weights in his socks so he doesn't get bull rushed back into the pocket so often.

Donovan McNabb was pretty dang good. I could live with that.

CharVike wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 7:49 am

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:44 pm
Donovan McNabb was pretty dang good. I could live with that.

I have always stressed that I like the bigger player. I like both of these guys that we drafted. Davis big concern is the injury. What really POs me is Zimmer saying we need more size on the OL. No #### shurlock. IMO I would have moved Cleveland back out to LT. I give the kid credit for being able to play as a rookie and switching positions. You couldn't have put the kid in a more difficult situation than that. Of course he was probably the worst overall G in football. Will that change? I don't see how it's possible. He doesn't have the skill to hold up inside. At least they are leaving Davis at the spot he played in college. Bradbury has no base. Never had it and never will have it. Cousins played behind an OL that was basically worthless at pass blocking. Not to many QBs play very well when they have zero blocking in front of them. Anytime Rodgers OL breaks down he's not the same. They had one of the best OLs and are upgrading it. Same with the Chiefs. The analyst never point out that Cousins has no blocking. They will just point out that he's not that great and can't move. That's all BS. Russell wilson was sacked the most last year. His OL was basically average. How can an athletic guy get sacked that many times? What is the point of being athletic. It certainly doesn't help cut down the sacks. It certainly doesn't make you more accurate. It doesn't extend plays as most point out it does. A sack is a play ender not extender. Cousins who is nonathletic and has no mobility, according to the experts, was sacked less and playing behind garbage. We all have to be fair to these kids as I feel they will get roasted early in the year if they are thrown out there. What that does for their development is questionable. People respond to failure differently. It could ruin them it may help them. But I do agree not bad picks.

CharVike wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 7:49 am

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:44 pm
Donovan McNabb was pretty dang good. I could live with that.

I have always stressed that I like the bigger player. I like both of these guys that we drafted. Davis big concern is the injury. What really POs me is Zimmer saying we need more size on the OL. No #### shurlock. IMO I would have moved Cleveland back out to LT. I give the kid credit for being able to play as a rookie and switching positions. You couldn't have put the kid in a more difficult situation than that. Of course he was probably the worst overall G in football. Will that change? I don't see how it's possible. He doesn't have the skill to hold up inside. At least they are leaving Davis at the spot he played in college. Bradbury has no base. Never had it and never will have it. Cousins played behind an OL that was basically worthless at pass blocking. Not to many QBs play very well when they have zero blocking in front of them. Anytime Rodgers OL breaks down he's not the same. They had one of the best OLs and are upgrading it. Same with the Chiefs. The analyst never point out that Cousins has no blocking. They will just point out that he's not that great and can't move. That's all BS. Russell wilson was sacked the most last year. His OL was basically average. How can an athletic guy get sacked that many times? What is the point of being athletic. It certainly doesn't help cut down the sacks. It certainly doesn't make you more accurate. It doesn't extend plays as most point out it does. A sack is a play ender not extender. Cousins who is nonathletic and has no mobility, according to the experts, was sacked less and playing behind garbage. We all have to be fair to these kids as I feel they will get roasted early in the year if they are thrown out there. What that does for their development is questionable. People respond to failure differently. It could ruin them it may help them. But I do agree not bad picks.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:44 pm Donovan McNabb was pretty dang good. I could live with that.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:56 pm

Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:47 pm Mond has a higher ceiling but the accuracy concerns me. I read in Bruce Arians book that coaches can't improve a player's accuracy. He said people may tell you otherwise but they're full of it. I haven't watched a ton of either though I'm just going off what I've seen and read.

When I watched his highlight videos he looked like he had decent accuracy to me. His college stats suggest steady improvement in terms of completion percentage, his best yards per attempt was his final year of college, and ditto for his TD-INT ratio (19 TDs to 3 INTs his final year of college).

With Mond the biggest issue I can see is consistency. He has some games where he looked all-world and others where he wilted a bit, but some of that could be due to the level of competition he faced in college coupled with the overall talent of his team. Some of these QBs (like Jones, Lawrence and Trask) played on stacked college teams. Mond didn't have that luxury. You put Mond in for any of the listed guys and its very possible Mond is the consensus #1 pick.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:56 pm

Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:47 pm Mond has a higher ceiling but the accuracy concerns me. I read in Bruce Arians book that coaches can't improve a player's accuracy. He said people may tell you otherwise but they're full of it. I haven't watched a ton of either though I'm just going off what I've seen and read.

When I watched his highlight videos he looked like he had decent accuracy to me. His college stats suggest steady improvement in terms of completion percentage, his best yards per attempt was his final year of college, and ditto for his TD-INT ratio (19 TDs to 3 INTs his final year of college).

With Mond the biggest issue I can see is consistency. He has some games where he looked all-world and others where he wilted a bit, but some of that could be due to the level of competition he faced in college coupled with the overall talent of his team. Some of these QBs (like Jones, Lawrence and Trask) played on stacked college teams. Mond didn't have that luxury. You put Mond in for any of the listed guys and its very possible Mond is the consensus #1 pick.

Foreman44 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:47 pm

VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:56 pm

When I watched his highlight videos he looked like he had decent accuracy to me. His college stats suggest steady improvement in terms of completion percentage, his best yards per attempt was his final year of college, and ditto for his TD-INT ratio (19 TDs to 3 INTs his final year of college).

With Mond the biggest issue I can see is consistency. He has some games where he looked all-world and others where he wilted a bit, but some of that could be due to the level of competition he faced in college coupled with the overall talent of his team. Some of these QBs (like Jones, Lawrence and Trask) played on stacked college teams. Mond didn't have that luxury. You put Mond in for any of the listed guys and its very possible Mond is the consensus #1 pick.

I only saw Mond a couple of games, I recall two against Bama. Last year and this year Mond gave my Bama fits. Trask May have been the only qb last year to give a stronger fight against Bama,

Foreman44 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:47 pm

VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:56 pm

When I watched his highlight videos he looked like he had decent accuracy to me. His college stats suggest steady improvement in terms of completion percentage, his best yards per attempt was his final year of college, and ditto for his TD-INT ratio (19 TDs to 3 INTs his final year of college).

With Mond the biggest issue I can see is consistency. He has some games where he looked all-world and others where he wilted a bit, but some of that could be due to the level of competition he faced in college coupled with the overall talent of his team. Some of these QBs (like Jones, Lawrence and Trask) played on stacked college teams. Mond didn't have that luxury. You put Mond in for any of the listed guys and its very possible Mond is the consensus #1 pick.

I only saw Mond a couple of games, I recall two against Bama. Last year and this year Mond gave my Bama fits. Trask May have been the only qb last year to give a stronger fight against Bama,

S197 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:53 pm

Foreman44 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:47 pm

I only saw Mond a couple of games, I recall two against Bama. Last year and this beyear Mond gave my Bama fits. Trask May have been the only qb last year to give a stronger fight against Bama,

I feel like his teammates didn’t help him a lot in those games. He had two nice back shoulder throws on the first drive that probably would be TDs if he had better skilled WRs. He was also under constant pressure. He also had some bad throws but Bama is basically a minor league NFL team and overall I thought he held up .

Foreman44 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:47 am

S197 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:53 pm
I feel like his teammates didn’t help him a lot in those games. He had two nice back shoulder throws on the first drive that probably would be TDs if he had better skilled WRs. He was also under constant pressure. He also had some bad throws but Bama is basically a minor league NFL team and overall I thought he held up .

One thing for sure. I will not root against Mond that fail... He is the man we drafted. He is our hopeful qb of the future,,,, I will only cheer and hope for great success.... I have mentioned many times as well as others, that . so many great qb hopefuls coming out of college. with way higher expectations than Mond ... I will hope Mond pans out more like a wilson or prescott, Warner. type. lower expectations. better success. No one knows right now how Mond, Trask, or any other qb will do for sure in the NFL.... I personally am not against us doing the same in next years draft...Although I am not sure how strong that class is at qb.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:44 pm

VikingLord wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:48 pm

I think it's important to note that at least some portions of the video posted in this thread were of Mond playing in the Senior Bowl where he was not playing with his regular receivers. Communication and familiarity between QB and receiver is important, so that might have contributed to Mond's apparent accuracy issues in that particular video.

But even with that being the case I agree with you that Mond has some issues. I wouldn't necessarily call them accuracy issues as much as consistency issues. He can get a little antsy in the pocket with his feet and his quick release can sail on him a bit as a result of not having his feet set when his brain tells him to fire. QBs who can throw accurately without a strong base under them have "arm talent", which is something I don't see in Mond in any video I watched of him. He has a strong arm and a lightning quick release that looks effortless, but if he's not set the pass is inconsistent. Arm talent is a great and fairly rare skill to have, and it's also probably true that is a talent and not something teachable per se, so the key for Mond (as for any QB who needs to set and throw with a solid base if the pass is going to be accurate and consistent) is to correctly read the defense and know where and when to go with the ball post-snap. Tom Brady doesn't throw on the run much (if ever), and the reason is he is very quick to understand where he has guys open or coming open and he can get the ball out fast enough that he doesn't need to take off or move in the pocket too often.

I think if Mond can develop his processing skills the Vikings have a keeper. If he can't they've likely got the next Donovan McNabb.

It's also interesting to note that the main difference between the way Tom Brady plays and the way Kirk Cousins plays is the speed with which each processes the field. Brady is like "Rain Man" while Cousins is just a good gambler, but beyond that they are remarkably similar players in terms of their base style and capability. So if Cousins isn't going to process the field faster, then the Vikings need this revamped offensive line to buy him those precious additional half seconds he needs to see it on the field. I am really, really, really hoping that Darrisaw and Davis end up locking down that left side of the offensive line and Bradbury figured out how to hide lead weights in his socks so he doesn't get bull rushed back into the pocket so often.

Donovan McNabb was pretty dang good. I could live with that.

CharVike wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:29 pm

Foreman44 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:47 pm

I only saw Mond a couple of games, I recall two against Bama. Last year and this year Mond gave my Bama fits. Trask May have been the only qb last year to give a stronger fight against Bama,

I'm not a college football watcher but Trask knifed through that Bama team based on the stats while Mond was basically a non factor. Field for Ohio St didn't do much either and Ohio ST is a big time program. I don't understand why Trask was second fiddle to all those other QBs picked before him. Probably based on athletic skills. Be interesting to see who knew their crap in a couple years. Right now my money is on the Bucs. Arians is on a roll so why should it stop now. I thought he was an idiot to sign Brady. Bingo Super Bowl. Shows what I know.

IIsweet wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:52 pm Texas A&M finished 9-1 and #4 in the country last year !!!
To say that Mond played with below average OL, skill players, and defense is not really accurate.
Living in Florida and seeing SEC teams and games every week, that team was very talented ! With that said, I think it helps the transition for Mond to the NFL. He played with NFL speed ready players. He saw elite defensive players every day in practice and the speed of SEC football every week. Is the SEC as good as the NFL? No chance.... but he played against elite and was expected to perform at an elite level every week. I love the Mond pick.
I hope that he is a better version of Dak Prescott !!!