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That is an awful idea since they have no experience being a coordinatorPondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:16 am Actually how about Klint Kubiak at OC and Adam Zimmer at DC and we start a whole new era of coaching called the “Who’s your daddy” era?!!
Kevin stefanski has what for experience? 3 games the year before? And had none coming into this year with kubiaks offense. I don’t get why them not having experience makes it a bad idea? Where do you think all these young coaches in the nfl are getting their start? They are becoming coordinators which then leads to being a HC.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:45 amThat is an awful idea since they have no experience being a coordinatorPondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:16 am Actually how about Klint Kubiak at OC and Adam Zimmer at DC and we start a whole new era of coaching called the “Who’s your daddy” era?!!
So if they are both become coordinators and they call stupid plays because they do not know what they are doing that costs Vikings games, you are going to be wishing they should never become coordinatorsPondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:59 amKevin stefanski has what for experience? 3 games the year before? And had none coming into this year with kubiaks offense. I don’t get why them not having experience makes it a bad idea? Where do you think all these young coaches in the nfl are getting their start? They are becoming coordinators which then leads to being a HC.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:45 am
That is an awful idea since they have no experience being a coordinator
I could bet money Klint has just as good of a grasp on this offense as stefanski did. No less his father is right there to help him just like he did with Stefanski. And as for Adam Zimmer, same thing. Adam has been on his fathers staff most of his coaching career. You don’t think he knows this defense inside and out? No less it gives you young minds at both positions. Two guys that might have a little better grasp on how the game is evolving and not so stubborn and stuck in their own ways.
I personally think it’s a great idea. Not only because they have their teachers right there with them and they are young but ultimately, they both bring continuity to the positions. That’s the most important thing. Rather than bringing in someone that hasn’t called this defense before
Answer me this, what’s the difference between having coordinators like kubiak jr. and/or zimmer jr. vs bringing someone in that maybe has coordinator experience but has never called this defense before?
I’d take the two young ones any day of the week because they know the offense/defense a lot better than an outsider would. Which again, brings more continuity
While I generally agree, I think there's something to be said about guys who know the ins and outs of football but who have never run a practice and game-planned a game. That's where I think it's tough to find guys who are analytics driven coaches (or coordinators) but who ALSO can prepare and lead their guys.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:59 amKevin stefanski has what for experience? 3 games the year before? And had none coming into this year with kubiaks offense. I don’t get why them not having experience makes it a bad idea? Where do you think all these young coaches in the nfl are getting their start? They are becoming coordinators which then leads to being a HC.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:45 am
That is an awful idea since they have no experience being a coordinator
I could bet money Klint has just as good of a grasp on this offense as stefanski did. No less his father is right there to help him just like he did with Stefanski. And as for Adam Zimmer, same thing. Adam has been on his fathers staff most of his coaching career. You don’t think he knows this defense inside and out? No less it gives you young minds at both positions. Two guys that might have a little better grasp on how the game is evolving and not so stubborn and stuck in their own ways.
I personally think it’s a great idea. Not only because they have their teachers right there with them and they are young but ultimately, they both bring continuity to the positions. That’s the most important thing. Rather than bringing in someone that hasn’t called this defense before
Answer me this, what’s the difference between having coordinators like kubiak jr. and/or zimmer jr. vs bringing someone in that maybe has coordinator experience but has never called this defense before?
I’d take the two young ones any day of the week because they know the offense/defense a lot better than an outsider would. Which again, brings more continuity
I'm normally very uninspired by promoting from within after a year ends like this, but there is a lot up in the air with the staff. Both the GM and HC are on unsigned after 2020, IIRC. And while another extension this off-season wouldn't surprise me, I'm really hoping I don't see it. So... promoting those 2 guys probably makes a ton of sense even if I'm not excited about it, and even if it means more of the same. Having yet another offensive coordinator is so frustrating. Has it been 6 years since we had the same guy back-to-back years (full)? I can't even recall who it was.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:59 am I could bet money Klint has just as good of a grasp on this offense as stefanski did. No less his father is right there to help him just like he did with Stefanski. And as for Adam Zimmer, same thing. Adam has been on his fathers staff most of his coaching career. You don’t think he knows this defense inside and out? No less it gives you young minds at both positions. Two guys that might have a little better grasp on how the game is evolving and not so stubborn and stuck in their own ways.
I personally think it’s a great idea. Not only because they have their teachers right there with them and they are young but ultimately, they both bring continuity to the positions. That’s the most important thing. Rather than bringing in someone that hasn’t called this defense before
Answer me this, what’s the difference between having coordinators like kubiak jr. and/or zimmer jr. vs bringing someone in that maybe has coordinator experience but has never called this defense before?
I’d take the two young ones any day of the week because they know the offense/defense a lot better than an outsider would. Which again, brings more continuity
Again, how did you know Stefanski knew what he was doing? Because he was the OC for 3 games in 2018? No less he struggled in the game that matter most in 2018, Chicago.RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:21 amSo if they are both become coordinators and they call stupid plays because they do not know what they are doing that costs Vikings games, you are going to be wishing they should never become coordinatorsPondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:59 am
Kevin stefanski has what for experience? 3 games the year before? And had none coming into this year with kubiaks offense. I don’t get why them not having experience makes it a bad idea? Where do you think all these young coaches in the nfl are getting their start? They are becoming coordinators which then leads to being a HC.
I could bet money Klint has just as good of a grasp on this offense as stefanski did. No less his father is right there to help him just like he did with Stefanski. And as for Adam Zimmer, same thing. Adam has been on his fathers staff most of his coaching career. You don’t think he knows this defense inside and out? No less it gives you young minds at both positions. Two guys that might have a little better grasp on how the game is evolving and not so stubborn and stuck in their own ways.
I personally think it’s a great idea. Not only because they have their teachers right there with them and they are young but ultimately, they both bring continuity to the positions. That’s the most important thing. Rather than bringing in someone that hasn’t called this defense before
Answer me this, what’s the difference between having coordinators like kubiak jr. and/or zimmer jr. vs bringing someone in that maybe has coordinator experience but has never called this defense before?
I’d take the two young ones any day of the week because they know the offense/defense a lot better than an outsider would. Which again, brings more continuity
DeFillippo is available again. Diggs and Thielen wold certainly love all the targets again.mansquatch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:48 am Not sure I agree PHP. I think if they hire someone it is to be in charge, but with an expectation of collaboration with Kubiak's existing structure. Let's be honest here, the zone scheme was effective. The stuff with the screens, RB passes, bootlegs, and playaction all worked well. It would be foolish to abandon that stuff. Where they need to be better was in shotgun and better use of their WR/TE. I suspect that a lot of the frustration we saw from Diggs this year was the fact that the WR took a step backwards under Stefanski. IMO, this is where there is an opportunity for a new OC to come in and make a name for himself.
It's a very valid concern, especially if things don't go well immediately. I'm sure the players already have some opinion of both of those guys already, and if they are not good opinions already, promoting them is not going to make them more respected suddenly. We don't know what they think though.VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:47 am Everyone has to start somewhere.
My concern isn't that neither has been a coordinator, but rather nepotism. When there is some adversity (and that's not if it's when as all teams face some adversity throughout the year) will they be able to command the respect of the players to rally the troops? Or will the players resent them and always be thinking "you only have this job because of your daddy. I had to EARN my spot on this roster". And I would have to ask the same question.....Are these two really the best options, or is it just favoritism?
That said, if they are successful then things will work out on their own