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Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:42 pm
by Norv Zimmer
I really like ben lecompte from ndsu. I live here and he is a great punter that is also a good fg kicker and kickoff man if Blair were to get injured. Not sure on his draft status.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:48 pm
by Norv Zimmer
Lecompte also had a punt of 75 yards in a game followed by a 74 yarder in the same game. Dude has a leg
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:29 am
by PurpleKoolaid
Isnt this the kicker they say could be late 4th-5th? We made that bet on Locke and last.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:33 am
by Demi
Bet? Every pick in the 4th and on is a gamble. He's hardly the only player we drafted there and lost. I doubt if we had passed on Locke we'd have brought in a starter or anything much more meaningful. If we can get a starting punter in the mid to late rounds, I think it's better than a kick coverage backup safety or corner that you usually end up with. Either way chances are they won't work out.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:39 pm
by jackal
I have a hard time believing we couldn't get a UFA guy to compete and replace Locke
next season.. He is one of the worst Punters in the NFL.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:38 pm
by Mothman
Locke's average isn't great but there's more to consider than just distance (and hopefully, that will improve when he's playing more than half of his games indoors each season).
For example, among punters with more than 50 kicks, Locke had the second fewest return yards against his punts last season. That and the difference between his 41.6 average and his 37.8 net average tells me teams don't gain many yards at all returning his punts. I get the feeling he's coached to get good hang time and minimize returns more than to kick for distance.
A third of his kicks were inside of the 20.
It's always worth looking to upgrade but I don't see this position as a major offseason priority.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:38 pm
by dead_poet
Mothman wrote:I get the feeling he's coached to get good hang time and minimize returns more than to kick for distance..
It would be consistent with what Kluwe said why his own numbers were down slightly from previous years.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:37 am
by PurpleKoolaid
Mothman wrote:Locke's average isn't great but there's more to consider than just distance (and hopefully, that will improve when he's playing more than half of his games indoors each season).
For example, among punters with more than 50 kicks, Locke had the second fewest return yards against his punts last season. That and the difference between his 41.6 average and his 37.8 net average tells me teams don't gain many yards at all returning his punts. I get the feeling he's coached to get good hang time and minimize returns more than to kick for distance.
A third of his kicks were inside of the 20.
It's always worth looking to upgrade but I don't see this position as a major offseason priority.
But it isnt only his punting thats at fault (or what I think is at fault), its his holding the ball for FG's and PATs. Unless Walsh told him to hold the ball at different angles, and sometimes with the hashtags out. To me he is nothing special. Try and fix that, and try and find someone better, coach him up, and then have someone better. If we lose, we still wont be worse then just having Locke (I dont think). I think they use the wrong philosophy with linemen too. They are the most important bunch, yet we hardly had depth, let alone starters this year.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:23 pm
by PurpleMustReign
PurpleKoolaid wrote:
But it isnt only his punting thats at fault (or what I think is at fault), its his holding the ball for FG's and PATs. Unless Walsh told him to hold the ball at different angles, and sometimes with the hashtags out. To me he is nothing special. Try and fix that, and try and find someone better, coach him up, and then have someone better. If we lose, we still wont be worse then just having Locke (I dont think). I think they use the wrong philosophy with linemen too. They are the most important bunch, yet we hardly had depth, let alone starters this year.
I agree. I think he can work on his holding, but if we can get a punter with good holding experience, we should go in that direction
Cold is temporary. Purple Pride is forever.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:59 pm
by dead_poet
Time for the Vikings to bring in competition for punter Jeff Locke?
http://www.startribune.com/time-for-the ... witterfeed
Punter Jeff Locke had another subpar season in 2015. He pinned opponents inside their 20-yard line more often than he did in 2014 and booted one fewer touchback. But for the second straight season, his net punting average dipped. He ranked 30th in the NFL with a 37.8-yard average.
Blair Walsh will be under the microscope this spring and summer after missing the would-be game-winner in the playoff loss to the Seahawks. But he is not the only Vikings specialist who should be scrutinized.
Punter Jeff Locke had another subpar season in 2015. He pinned opponents inside their 20-yard line more often than he did in 2014 and booted one fewer touchback. But for the second straight season, his net punting average dipped. He ranked 30th in the NFL with a 37.8-yard average.
Under special teams coordinator Mike Priefer, the Vikings ask their punters to sacrifice some gross punting yards in order to limit or completely eliminate return yardage. And for the most part, Locke did that.
Only 43.9 percent of his punts were returned, which ranked 14th in the NFL, according to Pro Football Focus. And opposing returners averaged just 5.2 yards when they did return them, the league’s fifth-stingiest mark.
But still, for a team that so heavily relies on defense and field position to win, they can’t afford to leave so many punting yards on the field.
Locke is trending in the wrong direction there.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:31 pm
by Mothman
Hmmm...
Locke's 37.8 yard net average puts him 5.9 yards behind the league leader in that category, Johnny Hekker of the Rams. The league leader in that department is typically around 43 to 44 yards. Consequently, based on net average alone, when Matt Vensel says the Vikings "can’t afford to leave so many punting yards on the field" we're probably talking about a
maximum of 6 yards per punt.
Remember, that 6 yards is based on the difference between Locke's stat and what the league leader typically averages. If we move down the list of leaders from say, #1 to #5 (Pat McAfee of IND), we see a net average of 41.7, just 3 yards of field position better than Locke. Note that the 5th-ranked punter in the league typically has a net average of around 41 yards (if that).
So, how significant is 3 yards of field position to a team that relies heavily on defense and field position to win?
As I said above, it's always worth looking to upgrade but, as Vensel stated above, Locke is doing what he's being asked to do: sacrificing some yardage for hang time and helping the team to minimize return yardage. Can he make up that 3 yards with more practice? By moving indoors?
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:36 pm
by The Breeze
I'm not so sure averages and net averages are a clear indicators of field position when it comes to punting.
I'd like a guy who could pretty consistantly boom it 50plus when punting from behind his own 30. Wouldn't we all? I'd take an 8-9 yd return on a 50 yd punt vs a 5-6 yd return on 42yarder.
In the end I'm not sure how big a difference it makes unless the guy is one extreme or the other. Locke is pretty mediocre as far as NFL punters go, IMO. Not what I hoped for when they drafted him, as I was content with Kluwe (salary aside).
I'm more concerned about his reliability as a holder.
I think he should be faced with some competition and really have to work on all aspects of his game, jut like everyone else. If some guy comes in and kills it...sign him. I don't think i'd feel good about drafting another punter though...unless the guy was the real deal.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:49 pm
by Demi
I agree. I think he can work on his holding, but if we can get a punter with good holding experience, we should go in that direction
Or get a backup QB in here who isn't a liability at the QB position, and can hold.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:22 pm
by dead_poet
The Breeze wrote:I'm not so sure averages and net averages are a clear indicators of field position when it comes to punting.
I'd like a guy who could pretty consistantly boom it 50plus when punting from behind his own 30. Wouldn't we all? I'd take an 8-9 yd return on a 50 yd punt vs a 5-6 yd return on 42yarder.
In the end I'm not sure how big a difference it makes unless the guy is one extreme or the other. Locke is pretty mediocre as far as NFL punters go, IMO. Not what I hoped for when they drafted him, as I was content with Kluwe (salary aside).
I'm more concerned about his reliability as a holder.
I think he should be faced with some competition and really have to work on all aspects of his game, jut like everyone else. If some guy comes in and kills it...sign him. I don't think i'd feel good about drafting another punter though...unless the guy was the real deal.
It occurs to me how misleading the numbers COULD be. If Punter A ends up punting a lot from at or inside the 50 his net will likely be lower than if Punter B punts more often from his own side of the field. The stats wouldn't reflect one trying to pin inside the 20 (kicking it higher/shorter) vs. trying to get max distance.
That said, I seem to recall more than a few Locke punts that were either mishit or simply poor when on his side of the field. I'm sure playing indoors will help but I'm still bringing in competition. If he wins the battle, great.
Re: Jeff Locke has to go
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:35 pm
by The Breeze
@DP
Yeah, I'd be interested to see where the guy kicks from included in the numbers somehow.
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As for Locke...the kicks that stick out for me are the ones he's shanked when a big kick is needed. I'm tempted to say it happens too often...but in all fairness those are the only times his kicks stand out to me. Kinda like the only time you hear about an O-lineman is when he's messing up.
Moving indoors should benefit he and Walsh...i reckon.