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But since the coaches and players account for 2/3 of the vote, those are the votes that have more of an impact on who goes rather than the fans.Pondering Her Percy wrote: .....No I never said that. But for the fans vote to count period is what's stupid. It should be strictly coaches and players and that's it
Demarcus Ware was only healthy for 8 games this year and is no longer elite but he made it. So I don't buy that eitherchicagopurple wrote:I dont think there is ANY reason to complain about the ProBowl picks. Guys who cant stay health arent elite. If you cant play regularly it lessens your value. To be honest, I would prefer none of our players ever play in the ProBowl anyway. Its an absurd game and a good way to get injured for no reason. Combat sports should never be just as an exhibition.
They have more of an impact yes but the fans voting still counts. I don't really know what you're trying to get at here. Bottom line is, fans shouldn't be doing any voting because their view of these players is nothing like the view of players and coaches. PeriodPurple Reign wrote:
But since the coaches and players account for 2/3 of the vote, those are the votes that have more of an impact on who goes rather than the fans.
The fact that it doesn't mean anything is the point. Yes, once upon a time the Pro Bowl meant something. Now it's a fan popularity contest followed up by "game" that nobody actually tries hard in. A game where the players from teams going to the super bowl won't play in, by the way.Pondering Her Percy wrote: That's not the point. I don't even watch the game half the time but it's the honor of being sent to it. You look at all the great players over the years and most of them are 5x pro bowlers and up. AP and Moss are examples of 7x pro bowlers. When you talk about a good/great player, it's almost always brought up into the conversation. It's always brought up at their hall of fame induction. Moss and AP were always the face of their franchises for obvious reasons and their play on the field earned them many trips to the pro bowl and it will be known at their hall of fame inductions that they were 7 time pro bowlers.
It's gotten to the point now where if you're talked about quite often on TV, you're getting in. Just like Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Demarcus Ware, and Gerald McCoy, none of who deserved it IMO. Side note: According to PFF, McCoy was the #34 ranked DT out of 70. But makes it over Joseph.
Or the Dallas Cowboy offensive line that had a horrible rushing attack this year and just a horrible offense in general.
Or Malcolm Butler who's done nothing but make one big play in the Super Bowl.
Or Aaron Rodgers who hasn't done near what Andy Dalton did this year. (I would even take Eli over him this year)
Or Calvin Johnson who was outplayed by Allen Robinson by a mile.
Or Darrelle Revis who's past him prime and has been torched multiple times this year.
Or Richard Sherman who's play the past two years has dipped quite a bit IMO.
.....point being, with allowing fans to vote, it's ruining the honor behind being in the pro bowl. It's just another dumb thing the NFL has done. I want to see our guys be remembered by someone else other than a Vikings fan. I want to see these guys in the hall some day. You look at the current HOF nominees and tell me how many are under 4-5 pro bowls. Not many if any at all.
EDIT: The only one is Terrell Davis who made it 3 times BUT also only played in the league 6 years and only 5 of them where he was a starter.
So I don't want to hear that it "doesn't mean anything". Granted the game itself doesn't but the honor of being voted in 100% does and that's what bothers me about this years vote
What I'm getting at is that you are putting all the blame on fan voting for some players not getting in. If coaches and players didn't vote for those players that you think shouldn't be in the Pro Bowl then they wouldn't be in, no matter how many fan votes they got. I'm saying that coaches and players are more to blame in those cases than fans since their votes count twice as much as the fans votes.Pondering Her Percy wrote: They have more of an impact yes but the fans voting still counts. I don't really know what you're trying to get at here. Bottom line is, fans shouldn't be doing any voting because their view of these players is nothing like the view of players and coaches. Period
Your statement about Rodgers not havng done 'near' as much as Dalton doesn't hold up, Rodgers has arguably had the better season, I don't even think its a question as to whether he has had a better season then Eli.Pondering Her Percy wrote: That's not the point. I don't even watch the game half the time but it's the honor of being sent to it. You look at all the great players over the years and most of them are 5x pro bowlers and up. AP and Moss are examples of 7x pro bowlers. When you talk about a good/great player, it's almost always brought up into the conversation. It's always brought up at their hall of fame induction. Moss and AP were always the face of their franchises for obvious reasons and their play on the field earned them many trips to the pro bowl and it will be known at their hall of fame inductions that they were 7 time pro bowlers.
It's gotten to the point now where if you're talked about quite often on TV, you're getting in. Just like Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Demarcus Ware, and Gerald McCoy, none of who deserved it IMO. Side note: According to PFF, McCoy was the #34 ranked DT out of 70. But makes it over Joseph.
Or the Dallas Cowboy offensive line that had a horrible rushing attack this year and just a horrible offense in general.
Or Malcolm Butler who's done nothing but make one big play in the Super Bowl.
Or Aaron Rodgers who hasn't done near what Andy Dalton did this year. (I would even take Eli over him this year)
Or Calvin Johnson who was outplayed by Allen Robinson by a mile.
Or Darrelle Revis who's past him prime and has been torched multiple times this year.
Or Richard Sherman who's play the past two years has dipped quite a bit IMO.
.....point being, with allowing fans to vote, it's ruining the honor behind being in the pro bowl. It's just another dumb thing the NFL has done. I want to see our guys be remembered by someone else other than a Vikings fan. I want to see these guys in the hall some day. You look at the current HOF nominees and tell me how many are under 4-5 pro bowls. Not many if any at all.
EDIT: The only one is Terrell Davis who made it 3 times BUT also only played in the league 6 years and only 5 of them where he was a starter.
So I don't want to hear that it "doesn't mean anything". Granted the game itself doesn't but the honor of being voted in 100% does and that's what bothers me about this years vote
The Pro Bowl game itself is a joke, and I also don't know why people outside of the players themselves care about it. But to the players it is an honor to be a Pro Bowler. Not sure if it is still done today or not, but used to be players had bonus money in their contracts if they were on the Pro Bowl team.Jordysghost wrote: The pro bowl is a joke though, I can't understand why people even care about it anymore.