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JEC334 wrote: we could've just waited till next year and draft a DT and got a MLB at this year's draft.
Atleast Shiancoe was gone that same year. Kevin Williams is still here and yet is help mentoring Floyd. Unlike Shiancoe who I think was gone before training camp and an inexperienced Kyle Rudolph learn how to dominate without having to sit behind a vet. So what makes Floyd different to where he cant start right away? If Kevin Williams is that washed up may be he needs to be bench and let a younger Floyd start.80 PurplePride 84 wrote:Drafting Floyd was similar to drafting Rudolph when we had Shiancoe.
Wasn't really a need but it will be sooner rather than later and he was just graded to high to pass up in the draft.
Williams isn't washed up, just declining and at the end of a contract, which may mean he won't be back next year. There's no reason to bench him this year.JEC334 wrote:At least Shiancoe was gone that same year. Kevin Williams is still here and yet is help mentoring Floyd. Unlike Shiancoe who I think was gone before training camp and an inexperienced Kyle Rudolph learn how to dominate without having to sit behind a vet. So what makes Floyd different to where he cant start right away? If Kevin Williams is that washed up may be he needs to be bench and let a younger Floyd start.
An even better example would be drafting Peterson when we already had Chester Taylor and that turned out pretty well. Remember, AD wasn't the starter right away either but instead earned it through outstanding performance80 PurplePride 84 wrote:Drafting Floyd was similar to drafting Rudolph when we had Shiancoe.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... 24411.htmlFrazier on his expectations for rookie defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd: We’d like to be able to get him in a rotation system where he’s a part of what we’re doing with our four-down when he’s getting in sometimes with Kevin [Williams] and just rotate. Hopefully it gets to the point where he’s productive enough where he can warrant increased reps as the year goes on. That would be optimum if he’s able to get in the rotation, have success and we can gradually add more reps to his play as the season goes on.
Williams on Floyd: He’s quick twitch, he can anchor in the run, he’s very disruptive at the three and he has good pass-rush moves. I know his stats may not have shown it, but he’s been tremendous in these OTAs and he’s another one where we can’t wait to get the pads on to kind of see what happens when we get the pads on and if he’s still as productive. The one thing with him, and I just mentioned it a second ago about young guys playing situational football and the situations are new to them and they make some mistakes, he’s game ready. He had a good coach at Florida and they prepared him well and it’s not too much different what we’re doing here. So a lot of things translate over to what he did in college, so we’re looking for good things from him.
Agreed. Matter of fact, I think Floyd and Patterson will basically be starters part way through the season, with Rhodes having major playing time.HornedMessiah wrote: An even better example would be drafting Peterson when we already had Chester Taylor and that turned out pretty well. Remember, AD wasn't the starter right away either but instead earned it through outstanding performance
Jim is right, this is a non-issue. If Floyd deserves to be starter then he'll show it on the field. If not, then he can learn behind the guy who has been doing the job (and doing it very well) for a long time.
Why am I bothered by this? Because I believe your best two DTs should be on the field at the same time. I dont see the problem moving one of them to nose. People are steadily complaining that Kevin Williams' production has went down. Me personally, I always thought Pat Williams was the better of that Williams Wall. But Kevin's production has dropped ever since that Wall disbanded. I think Pat's presence allowed Kevin to get more space to make extra plays on the ball carrier.Mothman wrote: Williams isn't washed up, just declining and at the end of a contract, which may mean he won't be back next year. There's no reason to bench him this year.
Why are you so bothered by this? Floyd will play and he may even end up playing a lot. Why does it matter if he's immediately declared a starter to begin his first season or not? He's going to get on the field, get experience and have opportunities to impress. If he out-plays the other DTs, he'll probably see more and more playing time as the season goes on. If not, maybe that will indicate that he actually needs some time to learn.
This seems like a complete non-issue to me.
You're getting worked up about choices that aren't firm at this point. Heck, we don't even know if Floyd IS one of the two best DTs on the team, although hopefully that will be the case. He and Williams will probably be on the field at the same time, just not all the time and since the Vikes rotate their DTs anyway, that makes sense.JEC334 wrote:Why am I bothered by this? Because I believe your best two DTs should be on the field at the same time. I dont see the problem moving one of them to nose. People are steadily complaining that Kevin Williams' production has went down. Me personally, I always thought Pat Williams was the better of that Williams Wall. But Kevin's production has dropped ever since that Wall disbanded. I think Pat's presence allowed Kevin to get more space to make extra plays on the ball carrier.
I think the same thing can happen if Floyd was on the field with Kevin. But nooooooo, we want to bench Floyd. Atleast let him compete against Kevin Williams for the spot. Like I said, the personnel decisions from this staff I will never understand and probably never will because I'm just a fan. But Im just saying. I think me and many other fans were hoping to see the rising rookie and his "mentor" play side by side during the season.
Did you read the quotes I posted?JEC334 wrote: Why am I bothered by this? Because I believe your best two DTs should be on the field at the same time. I dont see the problem moving one of them to nose. People are steadily complaining that Kevin Williams' production has went down. Me personally, I always thought Pat Williams was the better of that Williams Wall. But Kevin's production has dropped ever since that Wall disbanded. I think Pat's presence allowed Kevin to get more space to make extra plays on the ball carrier.
I think the same thing can happen if Floyd was on the field with Kevin. But nooooooo, we want to bench Floyd. Atleast let him compete against Kevin Williams for the spot. Like I said, the personnel decisions from this staff I will never understand and probably never will because I'm just a fan. But Im just saying. I think me and many other fans were hoping to see the rising rookie and his "mentor" play side by side during the season.
Yes, those are quotes from the press conference. I posted the link when I started this thread. Rotation is not enough. He needs a legitimate chance to start.S197 wrote:
Did you read the quotes I posted?
Frazier's already made it clear that if he’s productive enough to warrant increased reps, he'll get them. If he's outstanding in camp and the preseason and he outplays Guion and Evans, maybe he'll end up starting anyway but there's no reason for Frazier to name him a starter now, after a few minicamps. As a rookie there will inevitably be things he needs to learn (as Kevin Williams alluded to in his comments). Why hand him a starting job in June? Let him work his way up to it and earn it.JEC334 wrote:Yes, those are quotes from the press conference. I posted the link when I started this thread. Rotation is not enough. He needs a legitimate chance to start.
What makes you think Patterson is likely to start in week 1? As far as I know, there's been nothing from the Vikings or in the press to suggest that.If rookie deserves to come off the bench it's Cordarrelle Patterson. A guy who played in JUCO for most of his college career and only played one season in a top division. A guy who relied on his raw talented than the actual playbook. A guy who it will probably take half way into the season for him to fully understand the playbook. A guy who will more than likely start Week 1 because of his raw ability despite might not being 100% familiar with the playbook.
Take a deep breath.Then you have Sharrif Floyd. A guy who had 3 good seasons in Florida, two as a DT and one season at DE. A guy who was first team ALL AMERICAN. A guy who potentially can play any position on the D-Line is being held back from starting this season because of what??
You'll have plenty of time to worry about this if/when it's actually an issue but right now, it isn't an issue. Floyd is going to get opportunities to play and if he's as deserving of a starting job as you think, that will quickly become apparent and his playing time will probably increase accordingly. Meanwhile, it doesn't matter where he is on the depth chart because they aren't playing (or even practicing). The games that count are months away.JEC334 wrote:
Then you have Sharrif Floyd. A guy who had 3 good seasons in Florida, two as a DT and one season at DE. A guy who was first team ALL AMERICAN. A guy who potentially can play any position on the D-Line is being held back from starting this season because of what??
It's the NFL. Remember even AD didn't start day 1 because of stubborn coaches who were taught how to coach by other stubborn coaches.Then you have Sharrif Floyd. A guy who had 3 good seasons in Florida, two as a DT and one season at DE. A guy who was first team ALL AMERICAN. A guy who potentially can play any position on the D-Line is being held back from starting this season because of what??
Demi wrote: It's the NFL. Remember even AD didn't start day 1 because of stubborn coaches who were taught how to coach by other stubborn coaches.
