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PurpleKoolaid wrote:When the Vikings staff finally relaizes a QB is a very important piece of a team

Somebody really should clue them in. I'll send an email.

dead_poet wrote: Somebody really should clue them in. I'll send an email.

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When the Vikings staff finally relaizes a QB is a very important piece of a team, and just because ones drafted (or a personal friend of the HC), and they pay the big bucks/picks for one, AD will start having 2k seasons.

I think you're reaching. We have evidence of what AD would do with top caliber QB play...and it was the lowest average per carry of his entire career. With the highest touchdown total. And highest receiving total. Teams weren't stacking the box against Favre. And AD only managed 4.4 yards per carry. CJ2K broke 2000 without a top flight QB.

If anything those players in the box might *help* his average, once he breaks through the line there's no safeties deep to stop those huge runs he gets. Or they don't have great angles they would coming from deeper down field. And the offense is going to be game planning to get him running lanes or using extra linemen more often.

Demi wrote: I think you're reaching. We have evidence of what AD would do with top caliber QB play...and it was the lowest average per carry of his entire career. With the highest touchdown total. And highest receiving total. Teams weren't stacking the box against Favre. And AD only managed 4.4 yards per carry. CJ2K broke 2000 without a top flight QB.

If anything those players in the box might *help* his average, once he breaks through the line there's no safeties deep to stop those huge runs he gets. Or they don't have great angles they would coming from deeper down field. And the offense is going to be game planning to get him running lanes or using extra linemen more often.

Nope. its doesnt mean they are going to give AD the ball any less if we get an average QB. All it means is the safeties and CDs cant cheat up. And the LBs may actually have to cover the middle. Id bet me, umm, left leg, AD averages 2k a tear for a few years with a Rivers+ type of QB, INTs and all. I know he didnt with Farve but we had Baldy then and Favre was running the show.

He averaged less *per carry* how are you going to put that on baldy? he had baldy the other years when he had no quarterback and had a higher per carry average...

Demi wrote:He averaged less *per carry* how are you going to put that on baldy? he had baldy the other years when he had no quarterback and had a higher per carry average...

So why does every bring up 8+ in the box everytime if its meaningless? Im just saying hes just warming up. If the D has to focus even slightly on something else, there is no one else in the NFL to make them pay.

PurpleKoolaid wrote: So why does every bring up 8+ in the box everytime if its meaningless? Im just saying hes just warming up. If the D has to focus even slightly on something else, there is no one else in the NFL to make them pay.

You of course are under the assumption that if AD had a real QB instead of the the one piece of dog feces that he is playing with then he would even be better...right? A better QB would pose a legitiment threat and so The 8 and 9 man lines that some defense use to stop AD would not be as effective or they would not even be in that 8 or 9 man formation to begin with . Well the fact is that AD, when playing with Favre (year one) when Favre was lighting it up and setting rercords AD was not doing anywhere near as good in the rushing department as he is now. Go figure

1. Barry Sanders - The stop on a dime moves, the accelleration, the bad teams. And he could have passed Payton, but retired. Unbelievable RB.
2. Walter Payton - Consistant, durable, did it all well, despite bad QBs. Finally had a great team in his twilight. Many, including myself, probably don't understand, how good he really was.
3. Jim Brown - Yeah, he played in an era, much different than we know. But, you can't penalize him for that. Amazing vision, power. Dominated for 9 seasons.
4. Emmitt Smith - The all time rushing leader, number 4? He had amazing teams, and he was also amazing, just not as much as 1-3. I will always remember, the game vs the Giants, separated shoulder, ran for 160, and division title.
5. Eric Dickerson - Stormed out of the gate, like no RB ever, and never looked back. 3 seasons of 1800 yards, including the all time single season mark. Fizzled out after 7 seasons, but those 7, wow!
6. Adrian Peterson - This probably, will not be his final position on my list. What can I say, that hasn't been said? Will of steel, heart of a lion, talent to match. We are lucky, to have seen his every game, don't ever take it for granted, for it will be over in the blink of an eye.
7. Orenthal James Simpson - Yeah, we all know the off field issues. This list is for RBs, and he was a great one, 2003 yards in 14 games, impressive. The moves and speed were too, the cutback plays are well known on highlight reels.
8. Curtis Martin - Why is this guy so forgotten? 14000 career yards, 90 TDs, how many RBs in history, can claim that? Only 4, Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Curtus Martin.
9. LaDainian Tomlinson - Another forgotten guy, number 5 on all time list, and 162 TDs! Probably deserves a higher slot, but he did get fed a lot of those TDs, in goal line situations, still impressive.
10. Jerome Bettis - Sorry Earl Campbell, this guy did what you did, a lot longer, and played in many big games. Number 6 on the all time rushing list, he carried the water
, for a long time for the Steelers, took a lickin, kept on ticking.

Defenses were still stacking the box when Favre was the QB ... At least through the first two thirds of the season and especially on first down almost during the entire season -- Peterson's presence was one of the biggest reasons Favre was lighting up the passing guy. He even said that to a degree. That wasn't the case through any given game -- defenses played situational football -- but I'm inclined to think Peterson helped Favre and the receivers that year more than the other way around.

PurpleHalo wrote:10. Jerome Bettis - Sorry Earl Campbell, this guy did what you did, a lot longer, and played in many big games. Number 6 on the all time rushing list, he carried the water, for a long time for the Steelers, took a lickin, kept on ticking.

Just curious: did you see Campbell play?

Bettis was great but he didn't do what Campbell did. Heck, I'm not sure anyone has ever done what Campbell did. Campbell just exploded onto the NFL scene. He was only 24 yards short of carrying the rock for over 1400+ yards in his first 4 seasons.

Mothman wrote: Just curious: did you see Campbell play?

Bettis was great but he didn't do what Campbell did. Heck, I'm not sure anyone has ever done what Campbell did. Campbell just exploded onto the NFL scene. He was only 24 yards short of carrying the rock for over 1400+ yards in his first 4 seasons.

Yes I saw him play, he was damn good in 78, I remember that monday night game, he went for like 200, or very close, Jersey ripped and torn. He didn't have the longevity imo. Although, he did have a 1900 yard season. He just misses my list, barely. But it wouldn't be laughable to include him.

PurpleHalo wrote:Yes I saw him play, he was damn good in 78, I remember that monday night game, he went for like 200, or very close, Jersey ripped and torn. He didn't have the longevity imo. Although, he did have a 1900 yard season. He just misses my list, barely. But it wouldn't be laughable to include him.

Cool. I'm glad you saw him. It lends more weight to your opinion but more importantly, he was a treat to watch. He definitely wasn't able to stick around as long as Bettis did and that's a point in Bettis' favor.

Jim

Mothman wrote: Cool. I'm glad you saw him. It lends more weight to your opinion but more importantly, he was a treat to watch. He definitely wasn't able to stick around as long as Bettis did and that's a point in Bettis' favor.

Jim

To be honest, I didn't remember Campbells 1900 yard season. I checked his stats, there it was, during that time, as a young kid, it seemed like he fizzled after 2-3 seasons. Back than, everything wasn't in our faces, (internet, 100 sports shows, fantasy football) and I wasn't football 365, like now.

PurpleHalo wrote:To be honest, I didn't remember Campbells 1900 yard season. I checked his stats, there it was, during that time, as a young kid, it seemed like he fizzled after 2-3 seasons. Back than, everything wasn't in our faces, (internet, 100 sports shows, fantasy football) and I wasn't football 365, like now.

It definitely wasn't as pervasive as it is now.

I'm admittedly biased about Campbell. I was already a committed Vikes fan when he came along but I found him so much fun to watch that I saw every Oilers game I could and they were my favorite AFC team for a while.

I think the injuries started piling up and limiting him after season 4 so that's probably why you had the impression you did as a kid.

not yet in my book