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yeah, doing everything he can for the stadium, what's wrong with this guy.PurpleKoolaid wrote:Dayton the flip flopper...same ole same ole
PurpleKoolaid wrote:Dayton the flip flopper...same ole same ole
Or anyone who belongs to the "other team".HardcoreVikesFan wrote:
Always easy to scapegoat the governor, or anyone at the head power for that matter.
Dayton has done NOTHING. All talk. NOTHING has been done. Hes talked about it all the time, I hear him every morning on MPR, hes backing this, pushing for this, and nothing happens dude. Has nothing to do with the Reps, we already kne they aernt in favor of anything adding a penny of tax to anything. But Dayton always said he would do everything he could. I think last week i heard him say Arden Hill makes the most sense, and then today or yesterday said one of the Minneaplois sites would, and now he doesnt even know if ANY of the sites can even be brought up cause not enough support. What part of the Reps saying they would not vote on any type of tax for this dont you get? They've made it almost as clear as Dayton did saying he would get it done by casino, lotto whatever. His family alone could build it.Demi wrote: yeah, doing everything he can for the stadium, what's wrong with this guy.
While the republican legislature refuses to allow a tax without a referendum even while the local politicians who were elected to make those decisions voted to allow a referendum without a vote allowing it to be built in Arden Hills.
Hes been a really loud voice before and after hes been elected. And not a single thing has been done. Next week he said they dont even know if they can bring a single site up to mentioned for legislation. He brings it up, people say yay Dayton! and as usual, nothing changes.HardcoreVikesFan wrote:
Always easy to scapegoat the governor, or anyone at the head power for that matter.
I should have just stopped reading there. If you believe that, you have no idea what you're talking about.Dayton has done NOTHING.
Well since I like posting here, I will just say this: it is quite obvious you do not have your facts straight and are stuck in a one-sided frame of mind. Dayton is one of, if not the, main reason(s) this stadium deal is still alive.Dayton has done NOTHING. All talk. NOTHING has been done. Hes talked about it all the time, I hear him every morning on MPR, hes backing this, pushing for this, and nothing happens dude. Has nothing to do with the Reps, we already kne they aernt in favor of anything adding a penny of tax to anything. But Dayton always said he would do everything he could. I think last week i heard him say Arden Hill makes the most sense, and then today or yesterday said one of the Minneaplois sites would, and now he doesnt even know if ANY of the sites can even be brought up cause not enough support. What part of the Reps saying they would not vote on any type of tax for this dont you get? They've made it almost as clear as Dayton did saying he would get it done by casino, lotto whatever. His family alone could build it.
Ok whats he done? How are we further along in a Stadium deal now then before he became Govn? Everyone knew the Reps wearnt going to push for it, because they knew the state would have to have some kind of tax, and they got elected by saying they wouldnt increase taxes. Dayton made it crystal clear, and continues to do so (until recently) that somehow he would push this thing forward. And yet we aernt any closer. They dangle ideas in front of our eyes, then pull them away. IMO all he has to do is quit playing politics, pick a site, uses a lotto for revenue, and present a real plan. And back it 100%, not back track to some previous plan.HardcoreVikesFan wrote: Well since I like posting here, I will just say this: it is quite obvious you do not have your facts straight and are stuck in a one-sided frame of mind. Dayton is one of, if not the, main reason(s) this stadium deal is still alive.
Do you really think th govn of a state has no pull in a sutuation like this?CalVike wrote:Dayton is trying to state facts about contributions needed. If legislature rejects local money, more has to come from the state or the Vikings. Guess what, the legislature can say no to all of it. Both Dems and Repubs in legislature largely oppose stadium funding from what I can tell. So they ask Dayton to pull a plan out of thin air with no new taxes. It can NOT be done. Let the legislature vote down funding for existing plans. So we can be done with it.
A curious position to take. What, specifically, would you have liked him to do? It's not like he wields considerable power. The fact that he A) is in favor of the stadium and B) is vocal about it is about all you can ask. How many political leaders/mayors has Minnesota had that have either been opposed or completely ignored the issue altogether? The fact that he keeps the heat on the real powers-that-be is a positive sign. I don't know a ton about Minnesota politics (just enough to know they are about the same there as they are anywhere else), but from the outside it seems he's doing about all he can to move the conversation and get a resolution/compromise that keeps the Vikings in the state, no matter what that does to his popularity. Believe me, I'd love for him to just have the ability to sign a document and make this happen, but he just doesn't have that kind of power.purple guy wrote:Dayton is a lot of talk and no action. While he may still be kkeping the stadium issue alive, he has hardly done anything to move it forward or closer to being a reality. Being the most vocal about the issue doesnt mean he is doing a good job with it or making much/any progress towards a resolution.
How come he said he basically could do this? I went to one of his speeches in Minneapolis, there were no If's about it. I voted for him to get this deal done. Hes back tracked on every single thing he has said he commited to. We are no further along now. And if you dont think A gorn. backing, say, Arden Hill, and sticking with it, has no wieght, you dont understand politics. You then give the legisalators something in turn. Its the way things work.Demi wrote:Apparently they want him to pay for it, go out there, and single handedly build it himself. "What's he done"? "How is it any further along than before he became governor?". Are you serious with this crap? It wasn't along AT ALL before he became governor, and now it's down to 3 sites and they're trying to figure out the best one and how to pay for it. Who did that? Dayton. Who's pushing these sites and telling the Vikings and the legislature what it's going to take? Dayton. He's doing literally everything he has the power to do to get this moving. Where's the Vikings plan? Where's the legislature on this? Have the Vikings stated exactly what they're willing to pay? No, because depending where it's at their contribution changes. The states does.
You might want to understand the Governors job, and his powers, before you act like the guy can just sign a piece of a paper getting this done overnight...
He supported Arden Hills, they agreed to raise the money without a vote, the legislature said they wouldn't allow a referendum without a vote. That's on the republican controlled legislature, not the governor. No matter how much he supports it, and the county supports it, they need the state legislature to allow it, and they won't.And if you dont think A gorn. backing, say, Arden Hill, and sticking with it, has no wieght, you dont understand politics.
Which is what he's doing right now. Considering what the Vikings are willing to commit, the local partner, and finally the state. He can't say "Arden Hills, let's get it done". He needs to have all three willing and able to work together and do what it is going to take no matter what location it is. He can say "I want it at the Metrodome site", the Vikings come back and refuse to play at TCF for 3 years, what do you think the Governor can do? There's nothing he can do! He has to find a plan and a plan that all three parties are going to agree to and be willing to do.You then give the legisalators something in turn.