Vikings RB Adrian Peterson wants to return, open to pay cut

[PurpleKoolaid]

Yes, at least about as much as he tends to definitively say anything.

http://www.startribune.com/vikings-offe ... 369375761/

Which is why I trust very little that comes out of his mouth. I wonder if hes really stood behind anything he has said. I know thats hard to do as a GM.

[VikingPaul73]

I acknowledged that their solution was not effective. However, the fact that they deployed a solution, good or bad, indicates that they were in fact looking at the problem. Therefore, to say they "overlooked it" isn't accurate or fair, IMO.

@LOSPERROS: I would say at worst we have a difference of opinion. I do not feel that at any point I questioned your integrity or honesty. If I came across that way I apologize.

My main goal is articulating this difference is to get people to focus on the issue. If you want to criticize the FO, then do it where there is some meat on the bone: Their solution not only didn't work, in the end the OL was worse in 2016 than in 2015.

Where there is a lot of debate between myself and PHP on one side and mostly Jim and a few other on the other side is with regards to how much of the solution's failure was due to bad luck vs. bad decision making. That has been beaten a to bloody pulp, so no need to get into again here.

I get what you're saying but actions speak louder than words

They signed Boone which was a decent effort. Andre smith was a cheap bandaid who hadn't played well in years

1st round pick WR
2nd round pick CB
3rd round pick traded for picks in ap
later draft because our roster was just oh so deep
4th finally an OL

I guess like you say it's semantics but to me these actions are not consistent with "top priority"

[mansquatch]

Seriously, good lord.

What part of "Their fix is subject to criticism" is not clear? Am I even speaking the same language?

Overlook in this context means "fail to notice". Please explain to me how a team that "fails to notice" an OL problem signs Alex Boone? It seems to me that these two premises are in direct opposition to one another, but then again since "their fix is subject to criticism" was somehow not understood I could be unaware of the fact that I'm speaking gibberish or something?

The means of fixing the issue (You know the one they noticed as opposed to "failed to notice".) was a disaster.

The question on this positive group isn't whether or not they knew/know it is a problem. It is how they go about fixing it. Last year the fix didn't pan out.

As I said previously, there is a debate as to how much of that failure was bad luck and how much of it was bad decision making. Jim will be shocked to hear this, but I think it is both. In retrospect, their solutions at Tackle have been REALLY bad. They need to spend money to fix it.

[halfgiz]

I am still wondering if Slick Rick is going to try and sign Kalil and Peterson.
I would hope not, but you never know.

[VikingPaul73]

Seriously, good lord.

What part of "Their fix is subject to criticism" is not clear? Am I even speaking the same language?

Overlook in this context means "fail to notice". Please explain to me how a team that "fails to notice" an OL problem signs Alex Boone? It seems to me that these two premises are in direct opposition to one another, but then again since "their fix is subject to criticism" was somehow not understood I could be unaware of the fact that I'm speaking gibberish or something?

The means of fixing the issue (You know the one they noticed as opposed to "failed to notice".) was a disaster.

The question on this positive group isn't whether or not they knew/know it is a problem. It is how they go about fixing it. Last year the fix didn't pan out.

As I said previously, there is a debate as to how much of that failure was bad luck and how much of it was bad decision making. Jim will be shocked to hear this, but I think it is both. In retrospect, their solutions at Tackle have been REALLY bad. They need to spend money to fix it.

You are pushing a narrative that the Vikings treated OL as the "most important thing" in the offseason, and that they just failed to execute properly and/or got unlucky. I simply disagree with that.

Signing one average FA, one bad FA on the cheap, and not drafting OL until the 4th round doesn't scream "most important thing" to me.

Again, Boone was a decent signing but in the draft, they treated WR, CB depth, and stacking picks for the 2017 draft as a higher priority than OL. Again, maybe its just semantics, but this doesn't scream "most important thing" to me.

However, although I disagree with you on the degree with which they attempted to address the issue, I do 100% agree with you with your point that, to the extent that they did try to address the OL, they failed.

Boone - an upgrade for sure but overpaid relative to production
Smith - waste of $3.5 M
Harris - incomplete; a very tough, unlucky situation
Beavers in the 4th - jury is still out but at this point looks like an epic fail

[Mothman]

From Sid Hartman's column:

Zimmer does believe that Peterson, the 2012 NFL MVP, could also be a big help to the rushing game if he were to have a full, healthy season. But he also knows there’s a lot in the way of the Vikings star coming back for the 2017 season.

“I think he can [play], yes, and I believe that he wants to come back,” Zimmer said. “I think we’d like to have him back. Obviously, he has a big contract coming up and I don’t deal with any of that, but I do think Adrian has a number of years left in him. He has done tremendous things for the Vikings, and we hope to get him back and we’ll just see how that goes.”

[halfgiz]

Vikings Must Make Decision On Peterson This Week
Minnesota has to make their decision on the running back’s base salary by Super Bowl Sunday.
The Daily Norseman @DailyNorseman

[losperros]

Vikings Must Make Decision On Peterson This Week
Minnesota has to make their decision on the running back’s base salary by Super Bowl Sunday.
The Daily Norseman @DailyNorseman

If the Vikings want to make a counter offer, does that mean it must be presented by Feb 5?

[Mothman]

If the Vikings want to make a counter offer, does that mean it must be presented by Feb 5?

No, the Daily Norseman article was mistaken. They confused the end of the NFL season (which obviously concludes after the Super Bowl) with the beginning of the new NFL year, which is March 9th. To their credit, they've quickly corrected their mistake:

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/1/29/ ... n-timeline

So basically, there's another month or so in which the Vikings and Peterson can discuss his future.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I am still wondering if Slick Rick is going to try and sign Kalil and Peterson.
I would hope not, but you never know.

Do you have a better option at LT not having a first round pick?? I would say probably not. So it's smart to keep Kalil. Peterson on the other hand needs to go

[halfgiz]

No, the Daily Norseman article was mistaken. They confused the end of the NFL season (which obviously concludes after the Super Bowl) with the beginning of the new NFL year, which is March 9th. To their credit, they've quickly corrected their mistake:

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/1/29/ ... n-timeline

So basically, there's another month or so in which the Vikings and Peterson can discuss his future.

Yep...Thank You Jim!
Just seen the correction.

[Mothman]

Yep...Thank You Jim!
Just seen the correction.

I found it when I went to find the article you mentioned and it was no longer online!

[Mothman]

Do you have a better option at LT not having a first round pick??

That depends on who else is available in free agency, what they would cost, what Kalil would cost, the state of his health, who might be available to the Vikings in the draft and how the Vikes assess those players, etc.

In other words, there are options yet to be explored.

Peterson on the other hand needs to go

I think he represents another player option they need to carefully consider. The questions are similar to those at LT: what will it cost to keep him? What are their plans for the offense? What's the state of his health? How do they want to transition to a successor and who will that player be?

The Vikings running game was an embarrassment last year so they shouldn't discard a great back casually and unless Peterson's unwilling to accept reasonable adjustments to his contract, I see no reason he needs to go. I think the smart approach is to determine their plans, figure how he could fit into them and see if it works or if he's just not the right choice going forward. I realize some fans have made up their minds about that but the Vikings still sound interested. That could be posturing but I think they should be interested.

We'll see what happens.

[halfgiz]

Do you have a better option at LT not having a first round pick?? I would say probably not. So it's smart to keep Kalil. Peterson on the other hand needs to go

Current roster:
OT: T.J. Clemmings / Rashod Hill (ERFA) / Jeremiah Sirles (ERFA) / Reid Fragel / Austin Shepherd / Marquis Lucas

Riley Reiff - LT, Beachum or Okung or both could be available again

OT Riley Reiff, Detroit
OT Ricky Wagner, Baltimore
OT Andrew Whitworth, Cincinnati
OT Wiliam Beatty, Giants
Would Rick trade for someone?
We're basically could be looking at a whole new line with the exception of Boone.

[halfgiz]

That depends on who else is available in free agency, what they would cost, what Kalil would cost, the state of his health, who might be available to the Vikings in the draft and how the Vikes assess those players, etc.

In other words, there are options yet to be explored.
I think he represents another player option they need to carefully consider. The questions are similar to those at LT: what will it cost to keep him? What are their plans for the offense? What's the state of his health? How do they want to transition to a successor and who will that player be?

The Vikings running game was an embarrassment last year so they shouldn't discard a great back casually and unless Peterson's unwilling to accept reasonable adjustments to his contract, I see no reason he needs to go. I think the smart approach is to determine their plans, figure how he could fit into them and see if it works or if he's just not the right choice going forward. I realize some fans have made up their minds about that but the Vikings still sound interested. That could be posturing but I think they should be interested.

We'll see what happens.

I am actually tired of Petersons costly fumbles..he also didn't play for us 2 of the last 3 years.