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Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:03 am
by Decker85

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:05 am
by purple guy
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... urce=error


While I dont have a problem with Wilf spending his money, if he wants a 19m dollar place, good for him. But I will say, his timing is questionable, at best. IMO, one thing has little or nothing to do with the other, but common sense should tell you, until the stadium deal gets resolved, being a little tight with the big purchases would be a smart move.

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:09 am
by Cliff
purple guy wrote:http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... urce=error


While I dont have a problem with Wilf spending his money, if he wants a 19m dollar place, good for him. But I will say, his timing is questionable, at best. IMO, one thing has little or nothing to do with the other, but common sense should tell you, until the stadium deal gets resolved, being a little tight with the big purchases would be a smart move.
I don't get it though ... won't it be a public stadium? Who cares if he's spending his money on something else. It's his money.

From the article;
"I have no objection to the guy buying a fancy home -- it's his money,'' Marty said. "I'm just so frustrated that so many politicians think we ought to hand him $700 million more.'' The Vikings are backing a $1.1 billion stadium project in Arden Hills that would require about $650 million in public funding.
Doesn't that money go to the stadium ... that actually ends up belonging to the state?

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:15 am
by purple guy
Cliff wrote: I don't get it though ... won't it be a public stadium? Who cares if he's spending his money on something else. It's his money.

From the article;
Doesn't that money go to the stadium ... that actually ends up belonging to the state?

I honestly dont know who will "own" the stadium. I dont care if he buys ten multi million dollar homes, means nothing to me. What I think is, common sense should tell him, if he is looking for cash to be given to the Vikings, not everyone will share my opinion. To me, there was nothing wrong with Wilf buying that, but he has to be smart enough to realize not every one will think that way. Common sense goes a long ways, IMO.

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:54 am
by Cliff
purple guy wrote: I honestly dont know who will "own" the stadium. I dont care if he buys ten multi million dollar homes, means nothing to me. What I think is, common sense should tell him, if he is looking for cash to be given to the Vikings, not everyone will share my opinion. To me, there was nothing wrong with Wilf buying that, but he has to be smart enough to realize not every one will think that way. Common sense goes a long ways, IMO.
I guess so ... but everyone already knows he's got enough money that he could fund the stadium by himself if he wanted. It's always been a business decision to only fund it to a certain point. I don't know why people would expect that to change because he actually spent some of the money we all already know he has.

Then again ... I guess it's common sense to realize most people don't have common sense.

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:09 am
by Raptorman
Cliff wrote: I guess so ... but everyone already knows he's got enough money that he could fund the stadium by himself if he wanted. It's always been a business decision to only fund it to a certain point. I don't know why people would expect that to change because he actually spent some of the money we all already know he has.

Then again ... I guess it's common sense to realize most people don't have common sense.
Business vs. Personal. People have to separate the two. Someones business income has nothing to do with a personal purchase. However, I feel way to many people will not be able to separate the two.

The State or whoever would own the stadium. If Wilf wanted to build it by himself I am sure he probably could. However, then it would be a stadium that sits empty most of the time. By being a partner, the state has the opportunity to use it on the days when the Vikings are not. A good example is Fed Ex field. It sits empty most of the time. Except for the occasional football game or concert.

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:45 am
by Cliff
80 PurplePride 84 wrote:Hi buying a house should be irrevelant towards a stadium, but it will be used against him. Its not like the house was 700m like he's asking the state for, it was 19m which is a lot of money but peanuts in a 1.1b dollar plan.

To answer someone else's question. The state would own the new stadium not Wilf. So its not like they're just giving him money. If anything he's giving them money.

Also people forget Wilf is only a tennant in the Dome and yet he put out most of the money to fix it.
That was my thinking.

It really seems like Wilf has been a standup guy in regards to the whole stadium issue. He's had patience. He's stuck to his promise to try and keep the Vikings where they are. He's put money into the dome, he's put money into the team, he's put money down on the new stadium.

Them trying to paint him to be a jerk who goes out and spends all this money while he's asking Minnesota to pony up more cash ... that should bother people.

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:56 am
by purple guy
Cliff wrote: That was my thinking.

It really seems like Wilf has been a standup guy in regards to the whole stadium issue. He's had patience. He's stuck to his promise to try and keep the Vikings where they are. He's put money into the dome, he's put money into the team, he's put money down on the new stadium.

Them trying to paint him to be a jerk who goes out and spends all this money while he's asking Minnesota to pony up more cash ... that should bother people.

I agree 100%, but those opposed to the stadium wont see things that way. its not that what he did was wrong, it wasnt, AT ALL. But unfortunately, some will use it against him, fair or not. If Wilf did anything wrong (which I dont think he did), it was use poor judgement. This wont hurt the stadium effort, it wont help it, it'll just give some people, who have nothing better to do, something to complain about.

OTOH, I appreciate WIlf doing that now as opposed to right after the stadium issue is resolved, that would have made him look worse, TO ME at least.

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:27 pm
by purple guy
http://www.startribune.com/politics/blo ... 28663.html



Wont hurt the stadium debate. Probably wont help, but it wont hurt.

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:47 pm
by purple guy
80 PurplePride 84 wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_ ... buy-things

Seifert has a good write up on Wilf's recent purchase.

Good read, thanks for the link.

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:41 pm
by thatguy
Are people gonna freak out if they saw him eating out at a restaurant and tell him to stop spending money that he could put towards the stadium? That's just the good ol' Star Tribune for you.

Stadium thread

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:17 am
by CalVike
The man has a day job called real estate tycoon. If he spent $19MM on an airplane right now maybe I'd raise an eyebrow, but not for a simple real estate transaction.

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:51 am
by thatguy
CalVike wrote:The man has a day job called real estate tycoon. If he spent $19MM on an airplane right now maybe I'd raise an eyebrow, but not for a simple real estate transaction.
Why? That's the point. Who cares what he's buying with his own money. The Vikings franchise is a business. There shouldn't be any outcry over him buying stuff in his personal life when he's already comitted a ridiculous amount of money to a publicly-owned building...

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:44 pm
by HardcoreVikesFan
I don't live in MInnesota, but I thought the state owed tons of loan money to other parties? Is this surplus a result of that loaned money?

Re: Stadium thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:15 pm
by HardcoreVikesFan
So any recent developments or anything on the stadium? I thought there was something that was suppose to happen here in the opening weeks of December? :?