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mondry wrote:It's tough to say without knowing more obviously but if I had to take a stab in the dark I'd guess that Patterson is just too "simple" to grasp a complex NFL offense. On the flip side Norv is too loyal to his offense and so set in trying to make it work the exact way he thinks it's suppose to work that he doesn't notice that if he went off course or outside the box just a little bit a guy like Patterson would still be an asset.

Zimmer hasn't dropped the hammer on Norv because Norv's convinced him that Patterson is a liability and that it's all Patterson's fault for not training with Irvin and perhaps one or two other minor instances (due to Patterson's simpleness, happy go lucky, light hearted attitude he "appears" to not be taking things seriously enough) and Norv has built his case on those things thus Patterson is in the dog house.

It's an absolute shame that his career has gone this way. When we run on 68% of first downs and there's 9 guys in the box loaded up for AD getting the ball to Patterson out in space even on a short pass would be deadly. Let's not forget that when patterson struggled, he was dealing with an injury and AD was suspended so defenses could key in on him. When he and AD have played together though he's had his best games. All he needs is a tiny sliver of day light (which is why he's such a good kick returner) and playing with AD creates a lot of space for him.

But like I said, that is just a guess and I don't like Norv so I'd love to put the blame on him. This guy is just something else, he says #### like "Charles Johnson is the best WR on the team" and helps him disappear into an inactive role. When he first signed here he says "Can't wait to put 15 Patterson specific plays in!" and then puts zero Patterson plays in and helps him disappear too. I guess both of these guys just forgot how to play over night... Nah... my guess is it's more political than anything else, Norv simply found some "illogical" excuse to phase them out.

losperros wrote: I'll just say what I always do: get the playmakers on the field!

fiestavike wrote:Heres an interesting question. Josh Gordon has applied for reinstatement. Norv Turner had huge success with him in Cleveland, but Gordon's off field troubles are well documented.

I'm not advocating anything, I'm just asking the question, would you rather have Cordarelle Patterson or Josh Gordon? The player who has all the talent and can't put it together on the field, or the player who has all the talent and can't get it together off the field?

fiestavike wrote: An awesome recipe for success. Hire the old ball coach and let 'em play!

autobon7 wrote:
The old ball coach was able to coax 9 TDs out of him during his rookie campaign. 2 of them were returns. We sure could have used those other 7 this year. He had 2 catches this year. Targeted twice. Additionally he had 2 rush attempts this year.

mondry wrote:It's tough to say without knowing more obviously but if I had to take a stab in the dark I'd guess that Patterson is just too "simple" to grasp a complex NFL offense. On the flip side Norv is too loyal to his offense and so set in trying to make it work the exact way he thinks it's suppose to work that he doesn't notice that if he went off course or outside the box just a little bit a guy like Patterson would still be an asset.

Zimmer hasn't dropped the hammer on Norv because Norv's convinced him that Patterson is a liability and that it's all Patterson's fault for not training with Irvin and perhaps one or two other minor instances (due to Patterson's simpleness, happy go lucky, light hearted attitude he "appears" to not be taking things seriously enough) and Norv has built his case on those things thus Patterson is in the dog house.

It's an absolute shame that his career has gone this way. When we run on 68% of first downs and there's 9 guys in the box loaded up for AD getting the ball to Patterson out in space even on a short pass would be deadly. Let's not forget that when patterson struggled, he was dealing with an injury and AD was suspended so defenses could key in on him. When he and AD have played together though he's had his best games. All he needs is a tiny sliver of day light (which is why he's such a good kick returner) and playing with AD creates a lot of space for him.

But like I said, that is just a guess and I don't like Norv so I'd love to put the blame on him. This guy is just something else, he says #### like "Charles Johnson is the best WR on the team" and helps him disappear into an inactive role. When he first signed here he says "Can't wait to put 15 Patterson specific plays in!" and then puts zero Patterson plays in and helps him disappear too. I guess both of these guys just forgot how to play over night... Nah... my guess is it's more political than anything else, Norv simply found some "illogical" excuse to phase them out.

fiestavike wrote:Heres an interesting question. Josh Gordon has applied for reinstatement. Norv Turner had huge success with him in Cleveland, but Gordon's off field troubles are well documented.

I'm not advocating anything, I'm just asking the question, would you rather have Cordarelle Patterson or Josh Gordon? The player who has all the talent and can't put it together on the field, or the player who has all the talent and can't get it together off the field?

autobon7 wrote: I would not go that route......I don't think Zim would take a chance on Gordon corrupting his locker room. Too many young impressionable players. We all heard on numerous occasions all year about how Zim commented on the character of the team. I vote NO.

dead_poet wrote:

vatusay wrote:josh gordon got a little high.