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The Breeze wrote:Has Brady shown the proper remorse?

808vikingsfan wrote:Can you post where you found this info? From what I've read, the Patriots were making it difficult to ask follow up questions to Mcnally. Mcnally was interviewed by NFL officers (security, etc..)
but in the report, Wells is making it sound as if he never had another opportunity to interview Mcnally after the initial one.

It was in Robert Kraft's statement (which someone either posted or linked to earlier in this thread) but it's been reported elsewhere:

http://www.newsweek.com/how-tom-bradys- ... xts-329419

According to McNally, whom the NFL interviewed for its report on four occasions, he was headed out to the field with the footballs alone, which is against protocol, when he decided to use a bathroom at the end of the tunnel (a bathroom that he told officials he had used many times before).

On further thought, I take back my statement that re interviewing Mcnally would have cleared up anything. IMO, they (Mcnally, Jastremski, Brady) were never truthful when interviewed or asked about phone calls, meetings, or what the texts messages referred to so it wouldn't have made a difference. They would have answered with the same "we never talked about the deflating during that time." I do, however, think Brady's info (documents, texts, emails) could have made a huge difference. It would have been more than helpful. If he's innocent, it probably would have cleared his name.

There is sort of a tunnel vision feel to this report. To be fair, there is also a lot of frustration shown in this report with the people involved not being cooperative and forthright. I think because Brady is being deceitful and uncooperative, Goodell has no other choice but to suspend Brady. My guess is anywhere from 2-8 games.

I think 8 games would be beyond excessive but I wouldn't put it past Goodell.

The Breeze wrote:Has Brady shown the proper remorse?

@AlbertBreer As I go thru the Wells Report again, an important precedent: Saints DL Anthony Hargrove was suspended 8 games for obstruction in Bountygate.

@AlbertBreer I thought of that in reading the parts on lack of cooperation/assumption of mistruths. Hargrove's penalty was reduced to 2 games on appeal by Goodell. That's why I think 2 is a realistic number for that part of it here.

NFL says "Who cares?" on key evidence

The NFL is going after the Patriots when they don't even have reliable equipment on-hand to test the footballs, and they're completely ignoring the judgement of the guy who did the testing.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: This whole situation smells strongly of bias. People are still mad about Spygate from a decade ago, and it's coming to a head now.

If the NFL really cared about integrity, it could easily test the PSI of each teams game balls at the beginning of the game, halftime, end of game, and randomly test one during every commercial break. They could supply the teams and officials with consistent equipment. This could easily be taken care of. That was clearly never the goal.

Earlier in the season the ball was inflated far over the limit and nobody cared. Other QBs have admitted to PSI manipulation and their comments have largely been ignored. The Panthers and our favorite team were breaking the rules on how to treat a ball on the sideline earlier this year and nobody gave a crap. The Chargers were caught rubbing their balls with a towel that contained a sticky substance not too long ago and the world gave a collective shrug.

The Patriots get caught with footballs missing less air than an impressive fart and the entire world goes mad.

If I would have told you this story last January but I would have replaced "Tom Brady" with "Andy Dalton" this story would have lasted maybe a week. If I told you it was Joe Flacco, it might have lasted two. If I would have told you it was Peyton Manning this would have been swept under the rug faster than a condom during a catholic dorm inspection.

People hate the Patriots, so they want to believe that everything they have done can be explained away as illegitimate. But here's my question: If 1 PSI (that may or may not have even existed) is what has made Tom Brady and the Patriots so good for so long, why has no official or player caught on until now? Do you really believe that no official could feel that difference when spotting the ball but it gave the Patriots a clear competitive advantage? Do you really believe that no other team ever touched the ball and thought "huh, maybe I should alert the officials that these #### are cheating again"? Do you really think no player ever got cut or traded and decided to try and get revenge?

This is the most ridiculous story to come out of the league since...well, at least nobody is posting about splitting scrotums with tree branches anymore.

Ahhhh the offseason...

We could chat about what merits an impressive fart.

I'm sure there would be many who suggest loudness or length as the key ingredients, but fragrance would be my pick. If Brady could conjure one up with the aroma of nutmeg or butterscotch, I would consider it impressive.
Of course, I would need sources close to the situation to verify.

Lots of specialized ball manipulation here.

NFL KICKERS TALK ABOUT PLAYING WITH THEIR BALLS

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/n ... heir-balls

DK Sweets wrote:NFL says "Who cares?" on key evidence

The NFL is going after the Patriots when they don't even have reliable equipment on-hand to test the footballs, and they're completely ignoring the judgement of the guy who did the testing.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: This whole situation smells strongly of bias. People are still mad about Spygate from a decade ago, and it's coming to a head now.

If the NFL really cared about integrity, it could easily test the PSI of each teams game balls at the beginning of the game, halftime, end of game, and randomly test one during every commercial break. They could supply the teams and officials with consistent equipment. This could easily be taken care of. That was clearly never the goal.

Earlier in the season the ball was inflated far over the limit and nobody cared. Other QBs have admitted to PSI manipulation and their comments have largely been ignored. The Panthers and our favorite team were breaking the rules on how to treat a ball on the sideline earlier this year and nobody gave a crap. The Chargers were caught rubbing their balls with a towel that contained a sticky substance not too long ago and the world gave a collective shrug.

The Patriots get caught with footballs missing less air than an impressive fart and the entire world goes mad.

If I would have told you this story last January but I would have replaced "Tom Brady" with "Andy Dalton" this story would have lasted maybe a week. If I told you it was Joe Flacco, it might have lasted two. If I would have told you it was Peyton Manning this would have been swept under the rug faster than a condom during a catholic dorm inspection.

People hate the Patriots, so they want to believe that everything they have done can be explained away as illegitimate. But here's my question: If 1 PSI (that may or may not have even existed) is what has made Tom Brady and the Patriots so good for so long, why has no official or player caught on until now? Do you really believe that no official could feel that difference when spotting the ball but it gave the Patriots a clear competitive advantage? Do you really believe that no other team ever touched the ball and thought "huh, maybe I should alert the officials that these #### are cheating again"? Do you really think no player ever got cut or traded and decided to try and get revenge?

This is the most ridiculous story to come out of the league since...well, at least nobody is posting about splitting scrotums with tree branches anymore.

If people hated the Patriots, they wouldn't do everything they could to wipe the Patriots many cheating scandals under the rug, the spygate punishment was a joke, all meant to preserve the history of a dynasty. I don't think they are hated as much as they have been worshipped and put on a pedestal by the NFL for being the most recent "dynasty".

Now, the NFL is realizing, that trying to preserve history in the face of not one, but TWO cheating scandals isn't goona fly.


Again, the fact of the matter is the Patriots have never once captured a title without cheating scandal, completely invalidating there many "accomplishments".

Sad to see people stand up for cheating and what's wrong, for the sake of preserving history and a legacy that the Pats dont even come close to deserving.

DK Sweets wrote:
The Patriots get caught with footballs missing less air than an impressive fart and the entire world goes mad.

DK Sweets wrote: If I would have told you it was Peyton Manning this would have been swept under the rug faster than a condom during a catholic dorm inspection.

DK Sweets wrote: People hate the Patriots, so they want to believe that everything they have done can be explained away as illegitimate. But here's my question: If 1 PSI (that may or may not have even existed) is what has made Tom Brady and the Patriots so good for so long, why has no official or player caught on until now?

The Breeze wrote:Ahhhh the offseason...

We could chat about what merits an impressive fart.

I'm sure there would be many who suggest loudness or length as the key ingredients, but fragrance would be my pick. If Brady could conjure one up with the aroma of nutmeg or butterscotch, I would consider it impressive.
Of course, I would need sources close to the situation to verify.

I wonder what Giselle would tell you; I bet he's given her the dutch oven treatment in bed a few times.

This thread should be re-titled: "Ode to the off-season"

DK Sweets wrote:

Lmfao, I'm sorry dude, this is just too rich. Swept under the rug if it WASN'T the Patriots? You mean swept under the rug like Spygate? How many other big league cheating scandals were just completely ignored and looked over? 1. Spygate. The Patriots entire extensive history of sketchy crap, spygate, tuck rule, snow plow, communications going out in Gillett, cheating is deeply entrenched in Patriots lore, and here you are claiming that things get looked over for Peyton manning. Lmao thanks for the laugh dude, Peyton has more sportsmanship then anyone who would defend a team that never won a championship without the aid of 2 separate cheating scandals.

If people hated the Patriots they would be looked at not nearly as favorably as they are now, people stubbornly make the decision to see them as a dynasty, when what they really are a very good consistent team, that cant win Championships without cheating scandals, just cant do it no matter how hard they try. 4 SB wins, all with cheating scandals, even if you dont believe deflate gate, that would make their grand totals of SB wins, a1. Wow. What a dynasty. The funniest part is, during spygate, they were barely sneaking past teams to victory, while also benefitting from tuck rule and taping teams hand signals.

That is #### sad. Put your 70s Vikings teams out there and let them tape hand signals and get calls like tuck rule and they probably flatten the NFL en route to 5 SB wins, and the Patriots cant even use their cheating to dominate, its is really sad.

Just a sad day overall when winning Championships solely with cheating scandals is ok as long as you win. Glad alot of people are wising up, I think most resistance is based on the fact that many people grew up identifying the Patriots as the best teams they had ever witnessed, but now that the truth is out its hard for them to accept that the Patriots are what they are. A sham, who has been completely with Championship success outside of their many proven cheating scandals.

I know I'm late, but just noticed a couple things.

Mothman wrote: It was in Robert Kraft's statement (which someone either posted or linked to earlier in this thread) but it's been reported elsewhere:

http://www.newsweek.com/how-tom-bradys- ... xts-329419

Thanks. I have to assume, unless there's somewhere that specifically breaks down each interview, that Wells only interviewed Mcnally once as it states in the report.



funny stuff

when he decided to use a bathroom at the end of the tunnel (a bathroom that he told officials he had used many times before). McNally told officials that he dropped the bag of balls to his left and then used a urinal to his right. That is when the officials told McNally there are no urinals in that bathroom.

Texas Vike wrote:

It's not even about the PSI. I think everyone knows the NFL's inflation policy needs to be overhauled big time. For me, it's about how the Patriots tried altering the balls after the officials checked it and are now trying to cover it up. It's about how Brady and the Patriots are obstructing an NFL investigation by not being truthful and cooperative.

dead_poet wrote:

If Anthony Hargrove was suspended 8 games (reduced to 2) for lying to the NFL, I can't see anything less for Brady.

Jordysghost wrote:If people hated the Patriots, they wouldn't do everything they could to wipe the Patriots many cheating scandals under the rug, the spygate punishment was a joke, all meant to preserve the history of a dynasty. I don't think they are hated as much as they have been worshipped and put on a pedestal by the NFL for being the most recent "dynasty".

Now, the NFL is realizing, that trying to preserve history in the face of not one, but TWO cheating scandals isn't goona fly.

A decade ago the league office swept something under the rug, not the general public. I hear the Patriots associated with the spying scandal (seriously, I'm done using these pointless "gate" words) much more often than the 3 titles in 4 years.

What's interesting is that Jimmie Johnson admitted to doing the same thing after he learned about it from the Chiefs. Are we going to strip those titles, too? Or is it only cheating when it's the Patriots?

Again, the fact of the matter is the Patriots have never once captured a title without cheating scandal, completely invalidating there many "accomplishments".

Please, tell me again how many championships the Patriots have won without a cheating scandal. I missed it the first times you said it.

Mind you, Tom Brady played MUCH better in the second half of the AFC Championship game with the properly inflated balls and beat the best team in the league (and defending champs) in the Super Bowl, but I'm sure those victories were residual effect for all the cheating he'd gotten away with.

I can only imagine your horror watching the 2007 Patriots year through the league setting records under a microscope. I can only imagine how excited you were when Tyree made that catch.

I bring this up because you completely ignore how lucky the Patriots were to win in 2001, or how lucky the Giants were to win this in 2007. The facts for your perception of the situation, so looking at things outside your preconceived notion is completely unnecessary...the same problem with the Wells report.

And you never even acknowledge the fact that started me while post - this "scandal" might not even be real!

I would quote your second post, but I feel like I would be getting very repetitive. We clearly don't agree on this topic, but I generally agree with your input, so I'm not going to keep going back and forth like this.

DK Sweets wrote:A decade ago the league office swept something under the rug, not the general public. I hear the Patriots associated with the spying scandal (seriously, I'm done using these pointless "gate" words) much more often than the 3 titles in 4 years.

What's interesting is that Jimmie Johnson admitted to doing the same thing after he learned about it from the Chiefs. Are we going to strip those titles, too? Or is it only cheating when it's the Patriots?
Please, tell me again how many championships the Patriots have won without a cheating scandal. I missed it the first times you said it.

Mind you, Tom Brady played MUCH better in the second half of the AFC Championship game with the properly inflated balls and beat the best team in the league (and defending champs) in the Super Bowl, but I'm sure those victories were residual effect for all the cheating he'd gotten away with.

I can only imagine your horror watching the 2007 Patriots year through the league setting records under a microscope. I can only imagine how excited you were when Tyree made that catch.

I bring this up because you completely ignore how lucky the Patriots were to win in 2001, or how lucky the Giants were to win this in 2007. The facts for your perception of the situation, so looking at things outside your preconceived notion is completely unnecessary...the same problem with the Wells report.

And you never even acknowledge the fact that started me while post - this "scandal" might not even be real!

I would quote your second post, but I feel like I would be getting very repetitive. We clearly don't agree on this topic, but I generally agree with your input, so I'm not going to keep going back and forth like this.

The evidence is there, whether you choose to accept it matters little. Oh and btw, I agree on the whole gate nonsense, its just for simplicity sake that I use that term.

The Patriots were lucky in 2001 you definitely got that right, barely squeaking by constantly with a cheating scandal in place and such gems as the tuck rule. If they were any kind of real champion they wouldn't have needed all that bullcrap to barely inch by to a SB win. As I said, can you #### imagine if some teams throughout history were able to tape hand signals, get awful tuck rule like calls, and #### with opposing teams sideline communication during home games? Anyone who cheats should be brought to justice simple as that.

The Giants were lucky, you are right, lucky that the Patriots cant win SBs without cheating scandals.

Again, it doesn't change the fact that the Patriots, while still an extremely talented consistent organization with one of the best QBs to play the game, cant win SBs without cheating scandals, they just can't, and haven't. If I sound like a broken record, it is because this is a fact and a rather crucial one at that, one that Patriots supporter cant deal with because they know they have no way of disputing.