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Glad to see matt get a chance to start. He had been a true pro while in minny. As for backup would love to see hoyer in there if he cant find a starting gig. He flourished as a starter for norv before tearing ACL.

vatusay wrote:Glad to see matt get a chance to start. He had been a true pro while in minny. As for backup would love to see hoyer in there if he cant find a starting gig. He flourished as a starter for norv before tearing ACL.

That might be a (major) stretch regarding Hoyer.


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posted 82.6 passer rating. 86.2 if you dont count the game he got hurt against buffalo. it was only 2.25 games so flourished may be strong word but he was winning games for them. ill take that as a back up. as far as last year, he had them in the middle of the playoff hunt until gordon came back. i think he was trying to force it to him and they werent on the same page half the time leading to him being benched, which led to JFFs stellar performance in that offense.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_ ... rian-hoyer

I never said neglect the position by any means but bottom line is, Cassel wasn't the answer and I don't believe there are many answers out there. We just need to find a game manager at this point and a young rookie to maybe go along with him. It's easy to bring up Brady who accounted for 4 out of those 8 Super Bowls. He was only a backup at 1 time. Not 4. One time where he truly came off the bench not getting many reps. Are you really going to sit here and say "yeah a backup QB won the Super Bowl last year"?? I hope not.

I'm just saying that we as fans need to be patient and allow our team to find that backup. They aren't stupid, they know they have a hole to fill there. Everyone just jumps on the "here comes Ponder" train which is completely false. We'll address it. Free agency hasn't even started for gods sake. Losing Matt Cassel at $4 million isn't the end of the world. We'll get someone.

As for the # of backups who have come in and saved a teams season: the number would possibly be larger if teams took the role more seriously. The Viking have completely whiffed at QB for well over a decade. They did nothing to fortify the position through all of Culpepper's tenure and got left hanging with his injury and subsequent departure. I should hope they put serious effort into grooming a guy or two while TB is the starter. Another consideration for a quality backup: if your starter gets a career ending injury there is a guy in place who can effectively run the show for a season or two so you don't have to sign or draft a guy in total desperation. Like a Ponder or Donovan McNabb.
I am certainly in the minority, but my idea of backup QB is a guy who would spend several years (3-4 if not longer) with the team rather than some different guy every other year. You may have to pay tha guy a little more(if he's not on a rookie deal) but he would be worth it.

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I'm not lobbying for them to re-sign Ponder, but I certainly wouldn't get my nose out of joint if they do.
Either way I would think they draft a guy who is not a 'project', but someone with a realistic shot of playing in this league who could be turned into a pick after his rookie deal is over.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:I never said neglect the position by any means but bottom line is, Cassel wasn't the answer and I don't believe there are many answers out there. We just need to find a game manager at this point and a young rookie to maybe go along with him. It's easy to bring up Brady who accounted for 4 out of those 8 Super Bowls. He was only a backup at 1 time. Not 4. One time where he truly came off the bench not getting many reps. Are you really going to sit here and say "yeah a backup QB won the Super Bowl last year"?? I hope not.

Why would I say that? I said 8 Super Bowls were won by teams who had to ask their backup QB to get the job done and I listed the 8 QBs who did it. That should have made it very clear that I wasn't attributing 4 of those 8 Super Bowl wins to Brady.

I'm just saying that we as fans need to be patient and allow our team to find that backup. They aren't stupid, they know they have a hole to fill there. Everyone just jumps on the "here comes Ponder" train which is completely false. We'll address it. Free agency hasn't even started for gods sake. Losing Matt Cassel at $4 million isn't the end of the world. We'll get someone.

The vast majority of people here aren't seeing this in "here comes Ponder" terms or "end of the world" terms and I think everyone understands that the team will acquire a new backup and that it probably won't happen tomorrow.

I know it's annoying when someone on the internet says to just relax but...please, just relax. You seem inordinately worked up about this.

The Breeze wrote:As for the # of backups who have come in and saved a teams season: the number would possibly be larger if teams took the role more seriously.

That's a great point.

The Viking have completely whiffed at QB for well over a decade. They did nothing to fortify the position through all of Culpepper's tenure and got left hanging with his injury and subsequent departure. I should hope they put serious effort into grooming a guy or two while TB is the starter. Another consideration for a quality backup: if your starter gets a career ending injury there is a guy in place who can effectively run the show for a season or two so you don't have to sign or draft a guy in total desperation. Like a Ponder or Donovan McNabb.
I am certainly in the minority, but my idea of backup QB is a guy who would spend several years (3-4 if not longer) with the team rather than some different guy every other year. You may have to pay tha guy a little more(if he's not on a rookie deal) but he would be worth it.

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I'm not lobbying for them to re-sign Ponder, but I certainly wouldn't get my nose out of joint if they do.
Either way I would think they draft a guy who is not a 'project', but someone with a realistic shot of playing in this league who could be turned into a pick after his rookie deal is over.

Perhaps someone like this:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/ ... id=2552371

He's getting hyped a bit now by draft pundits so maybe he'll move up too high on draft boards and become an unrealistic option but in this year's draft, he strikes me as a reasonable candidate as a developmental backup behind Bridgewater.

Mothman wrote: Why would I say that? I said 8 Super Bowls were won by teams who had to ask their backup QB to get the job done and I listed the 8 QBs who did it. That should have made it very clear that I wasn't attributing 4 of those 8 Super Bowl wins to Brady.
The vast majority of people here aren't seeing this in "here comes Ponder" terms or "end of the world" terms and I think everyone understands that the team will acquire a new backup and that it probably won't happen tomorrow.

I know it's annoying when someone on the internet says to just relax but...please, just relax. You seem inordinately worked up about this.

That's my fault I misread your first post.

However as for the 2nd, I feel like others are the ones that need to relax. There have been a fair share of people that have mentioned Ponder in this thread. So yes, that's what I'm addressing. I'm the least bit of worried when it comes to our backup QB situation. I know we'll fill that void in the next few days. As long as it's someone with some starting experience, that's fine by me. But to mention Ponder just isn't necessary

@Jim

I've been seeing Grayson's name pop up....especially during the combine. He may be moving up the board.
I don't know the college guys to well this year, I think the kid from Nevada is a worthy sleeper....

The Breeze wrote:@Jim

I've been seeing Grayson's name pop up....especially during the combine. He may be moving up the board.
I don't know the college guys to well this year, I think the kid from Nevada is a worthy sleeper....

Grayson's name is definitely moving up among the pre-draft pundits. Whether teams are moving him up as well... I don't know. Like you, I'm not that familiar with this year's class.

Texas Vike wrote:
I second that vote.

Side note: I met Colt when I was at UT Austin. Great kid.

I missed this post.

I thought Colt played pretty good last year behind a really pourous o-line. The game seems to have slowed down for him. I've always heard he's a good guy too.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:The vast majority of people here aren't seeing this in "here comes Ponder" terms or "end of the world" terms and I think everyone understands that the team will acquire a new backup and that it probably won't happen tomorrow.

I know it's annoying when someone on the internet says to just relax but...please, just relax. You seem inordinately worked up about this.

That's my fault I misread your first post.[/quote]

No worries.

The Breeze wrote:As for the # of backups who have come in and saved a teams season: the number would possibly be larger if teams took the role more seriously. The Viking have completely whiffed at QB for well over a decade. They did nothing to fortify the position through all of Culpepper's tenure and got left hanging with his injury and subsequent departure.

I'm not so sure about either one of those things.

First, backup QBs end up playing every year. The results aren't great, but even when they do look good that's how teams end up chasing the Cassel/Flynn/McCown/Schaub/Hoyer type players and being overall disappointed. Also, if these QBs really did have the skill, they would be emerging somewhere, and backup QBs aren't finding much success anywhere, which leads me to think that it probably has more to do with the players' talent than the organizations' support.

Second, you forget that the Vikings did put effort into having solid backups during that tenure. Culpepper was drafted as a third string QB behind Cunningham and Jef George. Once Culpepper took over as the starter, Shaun Hill was drafted. other backups included Gus Frerotte (who posted a perfect rating in a game filling in for Culpepper) and Brad Johnson (whose performance off the bench had a lot to do with the decision to move on from Daunte). Once Culpepper was traded, Tarvaris Jackson was drafted. The position wasn't neglected at all. It didn't turn out to be great group for us long term, but it wasn't due to a lack of trying.

You mean next year when Cassel's contract is up and carries no trade value?? Yeah that makes sense. It's pretty obvious we are going to bring in a vet. We aren't going to draft a guy in the 7th and keep Devlin as our #3. My gosh people will you just let things play out instead of calling this a "stupid" move. I'll laugh even harder if Spielman uses that 5th round pick as part of a trade up deal for a legit talent in the back end of the first. Then we'll see how "stupid" this move is.

But yeah lets pay a 32 year old BACKUP QB $4 million to carry a clipboard. Is that suppose to be considered a "smart" move?? Backup QBs rarely ever carry any kind of trade value and we just received 2 picks for one.

Whoa....First of all, this is a board to talk about the Vikings team, and its moves. I didn't say it was stupid move. I think its a risky move;
given the nature or QB's in this league. There are not a lot of Veterans I would trust to step if(god forbid)Teddy goes down. Look at the
Packers, Cardinals, and Rams in the last two years. They all suffered greatly when their starter went down. The Cardinals and Rams went through
what four or five guys and couldn't manage, to win enough games. You pictured Warner, Brady, and Jeff H. from the giants. How many back up
QB's and project QB's have we seen at the Vikings alone 10-15 guys in the last decade?? or more

jackal wrote:
Whoa....First of all, this is a board to talk about the Vikings team, and its moves. I didn't say it was stupid move. I think its a risky move;
given the nature or QB's in this league. There are not a lot of Veterans I would trust to step if(god forbid)Teddy goes down. Look at the
Packers, Cardinals, and Rams in the last two years. They all suffered greatly when their starter went down. The Cardinals and Rams went through
what four or five guys and couldn't manage, to win enough games. You pictured Warner, Brady, and Jeff H. from the giants. How many back up
QB's and project QB's have we seen at the Vikings alone 10-15 guys in the last decade?? or more

I never said YOU were calling it a stupid move. However some are. All I'm saying is that many on here are acting like we lost our best friend in Matt Cassel and are bugging out over our backup situation. Just stay patient is what I am saying. As someone pointed out earlier....is Matt Cassel THAT much better than a guy like Brian Hoyer, Mark Sanchez, etc?? No not at all and those guys will come a lot cheaper than what we had Cassel on the hook for. PLUS we gain two picks for him. One being a fairly good value pick. Matt Cassel isn't impossible to replace.

I think the backup QB job is just as important as many other positions. I never said it wasn't. I'm just saying, we can replace Matt Cassel. We'll be fine