Report: Vikes looking to "get rid of" AP (AD)

[Slick Rick]

I still wonder why fans would want to trade AD, and why they can't see the logical flaw against such a trade happening.

All the reasons why they wouldn't keep AD (age, salary) = All the reasons a team (with even less emotional involvement with AD) wouldn't trade for AD.

I agree with you, but I think teams still would trade for him. What I think is the most damning part of the whole idea is that the value that you'd be getting in return wouldn't be worth it, teams would look at those things and try to lowball. Are we seriously contemplating trading him because he may fall off this year, when all we'd probably get is a single 1st rounder, or a few later selections? I think that's one of the dumbest moves that the franchise could make at this point.

[Webbfann]

I agree with you, but I think teams still would trade for him. What I think is the most damning part of the whole idea is that the value that you'd be getting in return wouldn't be worth it, teams would look at those things and try to lowball. Are we seriously contemplating trading him because he may fall off this year, when all we'd probably get is a single 1st rounder, or a few later selections? I think that's one of the dumbest moves that the franchise could make at this point.

Is that what he's worth? A single 1st rounder or a few later selections? Is that what Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning are worth too?

[Slick Rick]

Yeah, finding QB talent. How'd they look without Manning and Luck?
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/
Before and after Manning offensive numbers!

Yeah, let's call it "without Manning [or] Luck". It's not like Curtis Painter was their starting QB or anything.

[Slick Rick]

Is that what he's worth? A single 1st rounder or a few later selections? Is that what Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning are worth too?

I'm not sure what your logic is here, but you obviously think that Rodgers and Manning are more valuable than Peterson. I'm also guessing that you're attempting to regurgitate your sentiments about how you think QBs are more valuable than RBs. I'm not even sure Manning could net a 1st rounder at his age for one, and Rodgers isn't exactly the young QB sensation anymore. As far as value goes, I'm sure teams would pay through the nose to get Rodgers. Just like they'd pay through the nose to get Peterson if he lit it up again this year.

[Webbfann]

I'm not sure what your logic is here, but you obviously think that Rodgers and Manning are more valuable than Peterson. I'm also guessing that you're attempting to regurgitate your sentiments about how you think QBs are more valuable than RBs. I'm not even sure Manning could net a 1st rounder at his age for one, and Rodgers isn't exactly the young QB sensation anymore. As far as value goes, I'm sure teams would pay through the nose to get Rodgers. Just like they'd pay through the nose to get Peterson if he lit it up again this year.

You had me until the last sentence. Lets remove Manning from the equation and we have two "elite" players of fairly similar age. Which one brings more in a trade? I don't think AP gets close to what Rodgers would bring and Rodgers is 15 months older.

[Mothman]

Comparing QBs and RBs is apples and organges. Rodgers right now would probably fetch 2 1st rounders.

Peterson right now would be lucky to fetch a 2nd, even if he ran for 2000 yards again this season.

It's just how the positions are valued.

... and that's trade value, which isn't necessarily indicative of their overall value to the team they're on now. Peterson's just one season removed from nearly breaking the single season rushing record. He's probably far from done and he still commands serious attention from opposing defenses. He's currently at the same age Barry Sanders was when he ran for 2000+.

We all know an elite QB is worth more to a team than an elite RB but so what? It's hardly relevant to the Vikings situation since they aren't facing a choice between an elite QB and an elite RB. They don't need to weigh one position against the other.

[Eli]

... and that's trade value, which isn't necessarily indicative of their overall value to the team they're on now.

... and their value to the team they're on now isn't necessarily indicative of their overall value. Peterson is all the Vikings have had on offense for the past couple of seasons. If he played for the Packers, that would be far from the case.

Peterson might still be able to fetch a 2nd rounder, but only from a team that feels he's the final piece to their offense. And only if he was willing to take a substantial pay cut. Right now, I honestly believe that the Vikings are the only team in the NFL willing to pay him what he's making. But they pay him not just for his on-field production; they pay him as a marketing entity - the only star on a team that is otherwise faceless.

[Mothman]

... and their value to the team they're on now isn't necessarily indicative of their overall value. Peterson is all the Vikings have had on offense for the past couple of seasons. If he played for the Packers, that would be far from the case.

Peterson might still be able to fetch a 2nd rounder, but only from a team that feels he's the final piece to their offense. And only if he was willing to take a substantial pay cut. Right now, I honestly believe that the Vikings are the only team in the NFL willing to pay him what he's making. But they pay him not just for his on-field production; they pay him as a marketing entity - the only star on a team that is otherwise faceless.

That's basically the point I was making: his value to the Vikings is greater than his trade value.

[DarthBrooks]

That's basically the point I was making: his value to the Vikings is greater than his trade value.

This just needs to be repeated until the arguement dies.

[Eli]

This just needs to be repeated until the arguement dies.

Which just means that the Vikings will eventually release him when his salary exceeds his value. At that point they won't be able to get a conditional late round pick for him.

[Just Me]

Which just means that the Vikings will eventually release him when his salary exceeds his value. At that point they won't be able to get a conditional late round pick for him.

Which assumes Peterson won't take a pay cut (if/when that becomes necessary).

[Mothman]

Which assumes Peterson won't take a pay cut (if/when that becomes necessary).

Exactly... and that's probably going to depend on how AD feels about the new coaching staff and the state of the team if/when the Vikings want to discuss re-negotiating his contract. Pride could be a factor too. Some players simply don't want to take a pay cut.

Anyway, all of that is down the road.

[Funkytown]

Adrian Peterson plans to play through at least 2016.

Now 29, Peterson is aware of his football mortality. "You couldn't have told me that at least two or three of those guys wouldn't still be here," Peterson said of the Vikings moving on from players like Percy Harvin and Jared Allen. "It just goes to show how the business is. Ultimately, the organization is going to do what they feel is best for their team." Peterson is signed through 2017, but could be cut without a cap hit next offseason. He's making $11.75 million this season.

 ESPN.com

[Purpnation]

I'm not sure what your logic is here, but you obviously think that Rodgers and Manning are more valuable than Peterson. I'm also guessing that you're attempting to regurgitate your sentiments about how you think QBs are more valuable than RBs. I'm not even sure Manning could net a 1st rounder at his age for one, and Rodgers isn't exactly the young QB sensation anymore. As far as value goes, I'm sure teams would pay through the nose to get Rodgers. Just like they'd pay through the nose to get Peterson if he lit it up again this year.

And Peterson isn't exactly the young RB sensation anymore, what is your point? You have to be delusional to think that AD would net the same as a HOF QB.

[Funkytown]

Age 30 is usually the death knell for NFL running backs, but then again, Adrian Peterson isn't your average back. 

The Minnesota Vikings star turns 30 next March, but he isn't worried about slowing down any time soon. Peterson scoffed Thursday when a reporter asked him if he's entering the twilight. 

"They said 'Oh, ACL, you'll never come back from it,' " Peterson said. "So, it is what it is. It doesn't apply to me. I have a totally different mindset, mind frame."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... pply-to-me